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Aug 19th, 2004, 5:39pm
 
We have found a potable water plant using this to raise the pH.

What are the advantages/disadvantages of using it in place of lime etc.

If it is required to be used what is the addition method, dry or as a solution.

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Reply #1 - Aug 20th, 2004, 5:19pm
 
Soda ash is more expensive than lime and more soluble than lime. It probably has less impurities than lime and would not require slaking, or in the case of hydrated lime, be as difficult to disperse. Both lime and soda ash may be used sequentially to soften water depending on the composition of the raw water. If the raw water had primarily calcium hardness, the soda ash may have been used to precipitate the calcium as well as adjust the pH. I would do a search for "lime softening" for more information.

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Reply #2 - Aug 22nd, 2004, 3:27am
 
I was experience pump jaming trouble when use lime,you may need specific propose pump for dossing lime.

Grrun,do you have any idea how to calculate result pH from NaOH dose ?

I know that pH = log [H+]
and Kw = [OH-] * [H+ ] = 1014
Can I just calculate [OH-] from NaOH dose,then put it to Kw balance ?
or [OH-] has another reaction pathway to consider?

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Reply #3 - Aug 22nd, 2004, 3:45pm
 
Personally, I don't have much faith in calculating dosage rates because changes in pH around the neutal point are so sensitive with strong acids and bases. Any chemistry text will probably have a graph of the change in pH with additions of strong acids or bases. I would either monitor the pH manually or use a pH control system because of the variability in commercial sodium hydroxide would cause dosage calculations to be unreliable. Also, the dissolved minerals in water provide another variable to deal with. Anyway, I'm not much help for the theoretical calculations.

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Reply #4 - Aug 24th, 2004, 7:25am
 
Thank you ,anyway  Smiley
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Reply #5 - Aug 27th, 2004, 2:06pm
 
Sewell:

You might also consider a magnesium hydroxide slurry rather than either soda ash or lime, for both reasons of cost and pH controllability.

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Reply #6 - Oct 5th, 2004, 8:36pm
 
I need to add 50-100mg/L as CaCO3 alkalinity to a 10-25 MGD flow.  I am trying to choose between Soda Ash and quick lime. I have done some research and determined I will need approximately 6600lb/day NaCO3 or 3800lb/day CaO.  The CaO is ~2/3 the price and the storage volume of NaCO3, but if I don't need any slaking equipment for the NaCO3 is it the way to go??

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Reply #7 - Oct 6th, 2004, 12:53am
 
Sals,

My personal experience with lime slakers has been such that I would avoid them unless I had redundant equipment and the manpower to maintain them. Metering liquid alkalis is far more reliable than slaking and metering lime slurries. Obviously, the chemical costs for lime are lower and because the costs of maintenance and reliability (which was a primary concern in my operation) are not as easily determined, they are usually overlooked by designers. Treatment plant operators are often the victims of designers whose main focus is minimizing costs that can be easily documented.

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Reply #8 - Aug 26th, 2007, 6:31am
 
If you are looking for a lime slurry pump that is reliable try Wilfley. The make an expelor pump that provide good gpm at high head. My facility pumps 360 MGD so lime is the only cost effective treatment. We distribute the slurry via splitter boxes.
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Reply #9 - Aug 29th, 2007, 12:06pm
 
Hi

one problem with buying slurries of lime is the relatively low concentrations, typically 18% solids. This means large numbers of tanker movements, and the subsequent CO2 emissions.

My company provide a 60% Magnesium hydroxide based product, which reduces tanker movements, and also gives excellent pH control. Unlike lime, the pH buffers out at about pH 10 greatly reducing the risk of overdosing, on biological plants, causing bacterial die off.

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