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How do you calculate volumn of a cylinder wedge
Aug 9th, 2005, 7:56pm
 
???  Does anyone know the formula for figuring the volumn of a slice of a cylinder.  We have a customer that has a wet well with a 6 foot diameter but at the bottom a "wedge" has been added.  The wedge starts 6 inches before the center of the cylinder and extends up 4 feet.  We computer geeks are usually pretty good with math but this one has us stumped and we have been unable to find anything on the net.   Undecided
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Re: How do you calculate volumn of a cylinder wedg
Reply #1 - Aug 10th, 2005, 2:41am
 
Hi,

Pretty simple,

Calculate the volume of the cylinder, Vc
(IE   3.14 x radius x radiu x length of cylinder)


Calculater the volume of the wedge, Vw
(IE   area of triangle x width of wedge = Vw)

(area of triangle = http://regentsprep.org/Regents/mathb/5E1/areatriglesson.htm)


Total volume = Vc - Vw

Be sure to keep your units all the same, IE all inches, meters or all feet.

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Re: How do you calculate volumn of a cylinder wedg
Reply #2 - Aug 10th, 2005, 6:02pm
 
Hmmm,  I don't think it's that simple due to the interaction of the rounded cylinder wall with the upright leg of the "wedge".  I think your best bet is to add water to the empty wetwell until the top of the wedge is submerged.  Keep track of the volume and then the rest is simple geometry for the top portion.  I'm sure there is way to figure it out with calculus but I'm terrible at math.  I'm sure someone here can help.
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Reply #3 - Aug 10th, 2005, 7:56pm
 
Unfortunately the wet well is in active service an cannot be take out of service to actually measure the volumn of water it will hold.  The idea had can to us as well but was nixed by the customer.   Grin
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Reply #4 - Aug 10th, 2005, 9:45pm
 
On thinking about it some more I realized I may have spoken too soon.  Is the "wedge" a chamfer around the entire inside circumference of the wetwell so that if you look directly down at the floor you are left with only a circle of the original flat bottom?  If this is the case than Mr. Taylor's solution will provide an approximation of the volume.  It will be a little off, but probably not much.  However, if the wedge is only in one hemisphere of the wetwell then my original post stands. 


As an alternative to adding water to the wetwell, you might consider pumping the water level down instead.  You can calculate the pumping rate while the water level is above the top of the wedge and use this rate to come pretty close to figuring the whole volume.  There will be some change in the pumping rate the further down you pull the water level but it will likely be a very small change.  

Even if you come up with an equation describing the wedge that you can integrate using calculus it will still be an approximation.  If your volume has to be right on the money than you either have to use the actual wetwell or make a scale model.  A scale model would be pretty easy by using a beaker or even a bell jar.
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Re: How do you calculate volumn of a cylinder wedg
Reply #5 - Aug 15th, 2005, 10:47am
 
Too hard for my old brain but!

Get a cylinder.  Mark the bottom and the top of the wedge at a scale that matches the cylinder size.  Tilt the cylinder and add water till it meets both marks.  Measure the volume after by placing the cylinder vertical.and scale it up.

Do it using red wine,as you can see it easier and you can drink it afterwards. Grin


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Reply #6 - Aug 15th, 2005, 4:21pm
 
Thanks for the ideas.  They worked great!  Now for the fun part... telling the customer that his controls are working fine, the problem is the active volumn of his wet well is 4 times too small for his inflow .   Grin
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Re: How do you calculate volumn of a cylinder wedg
Reply #7 - Aug 16th, 2005, 4:52pm
 
Geoff wrote on Aug 15th, 2005, 10:47am:
Too hard for my old brain but!

Get a cylinder.  Mark the bottom and the top of the wedge at a scale that matches the cylinder size.  Tilt the cylinder and add water till it meets both marks.  Measure the volume after by placing the cylinder vertical.and scale it up.

Do it using red wine,as you can see it easier and you can drink it afterwards. Grin


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Pure genius!  I am glad I can finally stop thining about this!!! Grin
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