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Rubber glove factory - Possible surfactant problem
Sep 17
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At the moment I'm running a small biological simulation on treating water from a rubber glove factory.
The problem is the bacteria seem to die off after a few days. The residual COD first goes down, then goes up again. The biomass continuously decreases.
I've found out that the white foam might indicate that surfactants are involved. I've gone throught the forum threads but didn't find any information on the surfactant they use. It's an ethoxylated acetylenic diol.
Could this surfactant cause the problem?
I'm currently using Poly Aluminum Chloride and anionic polymer in the pretreatment to remove suspended solids before the biological system.
Is there any way I can remove/neutralize the surfactant in the pretreatment?
They also use alkyl trimethyl ammonium bromide and ethylene oxide which might cause problems.
Is there any way I can remove/neutralize these chemicals in the pretreatment?
Thanks for your help.
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Re: Rubber glove factory - Possible surfactant pro
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Hi prody,
These boilogical simulations are little tricky specially with toxic substances. I think you need to use any non-toxic surfactant. May be you can use any commercial product such as "Bi-O-Kleen All Purpose Cleaner" which is non-toxic and biodegradble and can act as surfactant.
Another thing you can do is that you should start with adding nutrients initially and slowly increasing the concentration of wastewater so that biomass can acclamatize.
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Unfortunately I have no choice in changing the surfactant, since the wastewater is coming from an existing factory where they use this surfactant.
I am dosing nutrients and am currently running at 24 hrs retention time.
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Re: Rubber glove factory - Possible surfactant pro
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I found information on following two compounds you mentionaed in your list.
Alkyl trimethyl ammonium bromides
is certainly a "Microbiocide" i.e. Kills microbes such as bacteria, viruses, and fungi and used in disinfectant or antibacterial products.
There are two types of ethylene oxide i.e.
Ethylene oxide - alkylated cresol condensate
(Microbiocide) and
Ethylene oxide adduct nonylphenol
(Adjuvant) i.e. Used in pesticide products to increase the effectiveness of the active ingredients.
So these compounds are likely to be the problem. I am not sure about the others as I could not find informtion on them.
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Thx. Yeah I know these two compounds might be a problem.
But I know that other factories, where we also use a biological system, also use this quaternary ammonium compound. But there it is no problem.
First time I see the ethylene oxide pop up though.
At this moment I'm more worried about the surfactant, but can't find much information on it.
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Dear Prody,
the 'ethoxylated acetylenic diols' are products of Airproducts limited - you might contact them for further information.
Though I would expect hard biodegradability of these surfactants due to their branched nature,however, they should not have a biocidic character.
Ethylene oxide is highly reactive and will therefore not be present in unreacted form.
The cationic surfactants should be removed by the anionic polymers, except all have been bound to the PAC. Eventually, anionic polymer should be added in a first step.
Please be aware that the rubber production uses further chemicals with low biocompatibility depending on the kind of rubber used.
Eventually adsorption of organic contaminants may reduce the problems.
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EO is used to disinfect. It is also used in autoclaves for killing living things. It is used to sterilize in the rubber glove plants I have encountered this before. It is not good and will likely always kill and reduce bacteria as that is what it is edsigned to do.
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Tried to search on acetylenic diols and found some more information. According to the below you are right that they are not biocidic but very hard to biodegrade:
www.epa.gov/chemrtk/tetramet/c13452rt.pdf
www.epa.gov/chemrtk/tetramet/c13452.pdf
I found some other articles mentioning that the surfactant is nonionic:
[0028] The water-based offset lithographic printing ink of the invention may include a nonionic surfactant. The nonionic surfactant selected may include any used routinely in the art for ink and ink-related applications. Examples of suitable nonionic surfactants include acetylenic glycols, ethoxylated glycols, sorbitan esters, and mixtures thereof. Particularly preferred are ethoxylated acetylenic diols. Such surfactants are available, for example, from Air Products and Chemicals, Inc., Allentown, Pa., U.S.A., under the mark SURFYNOL.RTM..
Does this mean I can't remove it? I understand the ethoxylation of the acetylenic diol makes it more soluble in water.
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It might help if you would describe the physical and mechanical details of the biological simulation that you are running. If it takes a few days to affect the biological system you are operating, then the problem may be due to some other factor than feed composition. For example, determining the SOUR may provide a clue to how acute the toxicity of the feed is. Access to a respirometer may provide important clues.
Have you been continuously monitoring the DO during the simulation? Surfactants may be difficult to biodegrade and may be responsible for the higher COD after sorbing on biological surfaces initially. SOUR would be a better indicator of biological health than effluent COD. If you are using a fill and draw bench test (similar to a SBR), be sure to consistantly waste sludge to maintain an optimum sludge age and that the DO is adequate after feeding.
I would check the operation of your simulation before concluding that one of the chemicals used in the plant is preventing biological treatment of this wastewater. Many toxic chemicals may be processed if their concentrations are not above a critical threshold. Also, white foam is indicative of surfactants, but not necessarily that the surfactants are biocidal.
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# ethylene oxide issue
yes it is used for sterilization - the effect is due to its high reactivity with 'active hydrogen', i.e. -OH, -NH, -SH groups. However, this also means it has only a short term effect because surplus ethylene oxide is reacting with water forming polyglycols. Therefore no adverse effect has to be expected in wastewater treatment.
# removal of nonionic surfactants
the name 'surfactants' stand for 'surface active substances', i.e. it tends to accumulate at interfaces and can therefore be removed by adsorption.
Ethoxylation makes the practically insolube 'acetylenic diols' compatible with water.
Eventually the surfactants are already removed by this mechanisms due to the PAC treatment.
Also in light of potential toxic effect of other organic contaminants you should try adsorption by clays or alternatively powdered activated carbon. This should also remove the cationic surfactant.
# biodegradation
by similarity it has to be expected that the polyethyleneglycol chains are degraded leaving short chain oligomers with low aqueous solubility, i.e. these will accumulate in the sludge.
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I can't measure MLSS or MLVSS here. It's basically a simple aerated aquarium. I'm using slow fill, settle then draw method.
DO is always quite high.
The sludge volume decreases very fast. I think it halves about every day. So no need to waste sludge.
The client now mentioned they also use glutaraldehyde, another biocide.
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It might help if you would describe the physical and mechanical details of the biological simulation that you are running. If it takes a few days to affect the biological system you are operating, then the problem may be due to some other factor than feed composition. For example, determining the SOUR may provide a clue to how acute the toxicity of the feed is. Access to a respirometer may provide important clues.
Have you been continuously monitoring the DO during the simulation? Surfactants may be difficult to biodegrade and may be responsible for the higher COD after sorbing on biological surfaces initially. SOUR would be a better indicator of biological health than effluent COD. If you are using a fill and draw bench test (similar to a SBR), be sure to consistantly waste sludge to maintain an optimum sludge age and that the DO is adequate after feeding.
I would check the operation of your simulation before concluding that one of the chemicals used in the plant is preventing biological treatment of this wastewater. Many toxic chemicals may be processed if their concentrations are not above a critical threshold. Also, white foam is indicative of surfactants, but not necessarily that the surfactants are biocidal.
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I've read about powder activated carbon to remove surfactants (different surfactant) but dosages mentioned were 30,000 ppm in pretreatment or about 2000 ppm if using PACT process. To increase yearly operating cost by 20% I can only dose about 30 ppm.
The cationic polymer did seem to have a good effect on the foam forming. I'll try to run again with fresh biomass and now use ferric chloride as the coagulant.
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# ethylene oxide issue
yes it is used for sterilization - the effect is due to its high reactivity with 'active hydrogen', i.e. -OH, -NH, -SH groups. However, this also means it has only a short term effect because surplus ethylene oxide is reacting with water forming polyglycols. Therefore no adverse effect has to be expected in wastewater treatment.
# removal of nonionic surfactants
the name 'surfactants' stand for 'surface active substances', i.e. it tends to accumulate at interfaces and can therefore be removed by adsorption.
Ethoxylation makes the practically insolube 'acetylenic diols' compatible with water.
Eventually the surfactants are already removed by this mechanisms due to the PAC treatment.
Also in light of potential toxic effect of other organic contaminants you should try adsorption by clays or alternatively powdered activated carbon. This should also remove the cationic surfactant.
# biodegradation
by similarity it has to be expected that the polyethyleneglycol chains are degraded leaving short chain oligomers with low aqueous solubility, i.e. these will accumulate in the sludge.
Kind regards
T. Sobisch
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Let us change the approach to this problem from speculating, "What is in this wastewater that is preventing me from treating it?" to
"How I can treat this wastewater!"
You have provided the necessary nutrients and have observed that the volume of sludge has decreased with time and so you do not think that wasting sludge is beneficial.
However, I believe that consistent sludge wasting may be the solution to your problem.
Activated sludge is not a uniform population of micro-life, but a diverse mixture of a myriad of life forms. Consistent sludge wasting is the way to maintain a constant population distribution of microbes.
The concept of Sludge Age and acclimatization is the way to biologically treat this waste.
You should be less concerned about the die-off of your AS and more concerned about the survivors because the survivors are the ones that will multiply and consume the wastes. This may take some time, but it will help you determine the parameters necessary for a proper design. Sludge Age will help maintain a consistent population distribution of microbes.
Unfortunately, I cannot tell you what Sludge Age is necessary to treat your wastewater, but I usually start with 10 days (10% wasted AS per day). This is a trial and error process, but you will probably find that your optimum Sludge Age will be >5 days and <25 days.
After you determine an optimum, acclimated Sludge Age; you may want to explore other variables such as cycle times for filling, aeration, settling, and decanting.
One caution; be sure that your sludge is well mixed after decanting and before wasting.
Forget about trying to maintain a predetermined concentration of MLVSS and allow the AS to increase or decrease with the available food supply. The MLVSS concentration is important for designing sludge processing, not for operational control.
Sincerely, grrun 8)
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I would like to add to Grrun's comments on Sludge Age. The key to biodegradation for some of these more toxic compounds is acclimation by the organisms. This is usually performed by slowly increasing the quantity of the compounds over time. Under most circumstances, long detention times are required to achieve this goal. You can perform SOUR's to determine time to endogenous respiration as well as toxicity of chemical concentration.
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Dear Prody
I agree with Grrun. The sludge age is important parameter for getting effective efficiency. As you mentioned that for initial days you are getting higher efficiency and then it goes down with operation period, I think apart from the toxicity of some chemicals, availability of essential nutrients (Macro and micro) may be limiting the growth of the microorganisms in the reactor. Kindly ckeck up whether these are available in the wastewater.
I think, if you can provide conditions in the reactor which are conducive for microbial growth and sustanance, you will get the steady removal efficiency.
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An alternative to acclimatization of bacteria is to apply a combination of adsorption and biodegradation, i.e. packed bed or submerged bed technology.
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# ethylene oxide issue
yes it is used for sterilization - the effect is due to its high reactivity with 'active hydrogen', i.e. -OH, -NH, -SH groups. However, this also means it has only a short term effect because surplus ethylene oxide is reacting with water forming polyglycols. Therefore no adverse effect has to be expected in wastewater treatment.
# removal of nonionic surfactants
the name 'surfactants' stand for 'surface active substances', i.e. it tends to accumulate at interfaces and can therefore be removed by adsorption.
Ethoxylation makes the practically insolube 'acetylenic diols' compatible with water.
Eventually the surfactants are already removed by this mechanisms due to the PAC treatment.
Also in light of potential toxic effect of other organic contaminants you should try adsorption by clays or alternatively powdered activated carbon. This should also remove the cationic surfactant.
# biodegradation
by similarity it has to be expected that the polyethyleneglycol chains are degraded leaving short chain oligomers with low aqueous solubility, i.e. these will accumulate in the sludge.
Kind regards
T. Sobisch
our client also have this problem we are resolving. surfactant comes from dishwashing from a large consessionaire company. so PAC is the solution?
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Dear Apolq,
see new thread 'surfactant from dishwashing'
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Dear Prody,
I would suggest you consider the use of bioaugmentation as a means of dealing with the surfactants. We have done this in the past for pubber glove manufacturing and it works very well.
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You have a rather complex pot of surfactant chemistry but the item that stood out to me was the nonylphenol -- this is the same chemistry that is used as a "spermicide" in condoms. Has anyone quantified the surfactants in the WW? You might want to look at a "source reduction" within the plant if the nonyls concentration is significant in the WW.
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Dear Brent Cowan,
degradation products of nonylphenol-type (alkylphenol-type) nonionic surfactants, i.e. nonylphenol and nonylphenol mono- and diethylene glycols are accumulating in the sludge. Related studies were already done in the 70th.
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