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Sep 08th, 2006, 1:48pm
 
Hello....I have been asked to obtain information for a client.

Client is currently using flocculation/sedimentation to reduce their Chrome 6 to Chrome 3....the wastewater from this process is not acceptable by local authorities to dump into the community sewer network.

I have been advised that ozone treatment will further reduce the Chrome 3 to an acceptable level for dumping. Would someone that may have information related to this secondary treatment please advise.

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Re: Chrome 6 to Chrome 3
Reply #1 - Sep 8th, 2006, 3:12pm
 
Is the problem too much Cr+6 or too much Cr+3, or both?

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Reply #2 - Sep 8th, 2006, 4:23pm
 
Hi....Thanks for your response, it would appear that there is too much Chrome 3....

I have a Ozone Pilot Plant and have offered our services to " try" to reduce it further such that it will meet the local standards.

But of course the client would like to have some backed up information that I could send to them to assure them that Ozone can reduce. My Ozone Generator supplier has heard of this but unfortunately cannot provide the information ( if its available).

Have you any documented info on this item, would appreciate some direction.

Again Thanks
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Re: Chrome 6 to Chrome 3
Reply #3 - Sep 9th, 2006, 2:35am
 
Ozone is a powerful oxidant and (while I'm not positive) it is likely to oxidize Cr+3 to Cr+6 which will create another problem for your client. If the problem is too much Cr+3, then a better solids separation is required. Cr(OH)3 is quite insoluble. Why don't you do a Google Search to see if you can find any thing.

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Re: Chrome 6 to Chrome 3
Reply #4 - Sep 9th, 2006, 4:46pm
 
Hi Terry
I think that yuou should focus on removing the Chromium rather than on converting it from one form to another. Chromium in any form should not be discharged to the environment.
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Re: Chrome 6 to Chrome 3
Reply #5 - Sep 10th, 2006, 2:54pm
 
Hi Terry,

Cr[6+] is much toxic more than Cr[3+], so in the wastewater there is much Cr[6+], it will be deoxydated Cr[6+] to Cr[3+], before to precipitate them at high pH. Some chemicals can use for this purpose like as : FeSO[/4], NaHSO[/3],...in low pH ( 2-4 )
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Reply #6 - Sep 11th, 2006, 5:51am
 
Dear Terry Murphy,

there seems to be a luck of understanding of the chemistry of Cr(6+, 3+). By no means flocculation/sedimentation is able to reduce Cr6+ to Cr3+. You will need a reducing agent or oxidize other wastewater components by Cr6+. You will find it in textbooks or at the internet how to reduce Cr6+ in wastewater. If it is converted 100 % practically you will have to precipitate Cr3+, preferentially as Cr(OH)3. Therefore you will have to adjust the pH accordingly.

Ozone is a strong oxidizing agent. Therefore, I cannot see any positive role it might play in the present case!

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i've got to agree , you must chemically convert from hex to trivalent chome one we used was sodium mettabisoulfite.








Dear Terry Murphy,

there seems to be a luck of understanding of the chemistry of Cr(6+, 3+). By no means flocculation/sedimentation is able to reduce Cr6+ to Cr3+. You will need a reducing agent or oxidize other wastewater components by Cr6+. You will find it in textbooks or at the internet how to reduce Cr6+ in wastewater. If it is converted 100 % practically you will have to precipitate Cr3+, preferentially as Cr(OH)3. Therefore you will have to adjust the pH accordingly.

Ozone is a strong oxidizing agent. Therefore, I cannot see any positive role it might play in the present case!

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Reply #8 - Sep 18th, 2006, 5:04pm
 
We convert Hexavalent chromium to trivalent by using Sodium Hydrosulfite.  We then precipitate the Cr3 out using coagulation/flocculation.  We have a substantial amount of chromium and our discharge is usually below detection limits.
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Re: Chrome 6 to Chrome 3
Reply #9 - Sep 18th, 2006, 5:41pm
 
Hi Terry
I agree that first the highly toxic hexavalent chrome has to be reduced to chrome 3+. As we are specialised in tannery effluent treatment we have experience in the precipitation of chrome. Chrome can be well precipitated at pH 8-9 with NaOH, MgO or Lime and is then dewatered in a filterpress or centrifuge. The Chrome 3+ ends up in the sludge and the filtrate has less than 5 ppm of total chrome. If this method is suitable for you please do not hasitate to contact us.
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Reply #10 - Sep 27th, 2006, 7:27pm
 
Hope this will help. We are currently converting Hex chrome to Trivalent using sodium hydrosulfite at a ph of 5.5. After destruct process the ph is raised to 8.8 where it is run through Ultrafiltration. We have a .006mg/l  chromium permeate after this process. I'm new to forum so if I misunderstood what you were looking for sorry. We are a hex chrome plating facility and we must destruct the chrome prior to discharge.
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Reply #11 - Sep 29th, 2006, 2:13pm
 
The hexavalent cromium can be reduced for the adition of a very strong reductor agent, the most used is the Sodium meta bisullfit, The treatment for you precipioted this metal is increasing the pH to 9.0 to 9.2, whith Calcium hydrixide(Cal), the metal is precipited when hydroxide and the level of cromium 3 is reduced.
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Reply #12 - Oct 4th, 2006, 8:15pm
 
Hi Terry
We are a DAF manufacturer and we have a patented process where we can remove the hex and tri-valient chrome.  

We would be happy to treat a sample of your wastewater at no-charge if you would be interested.

Please let me know and I can senfd you a questionnaire and instruction as to where you can send the sample.


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Reply #13 - Oct 12th, 2006, 3:06pm
 
Has anyone heard of using such reducing compounds in liquid form as a rinse for parts that may have Cr(VI) on the surface or if the part is porous, converting the Cr(VI) within?  Vendor names that could help me with this?

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Reply #14 - Jan 20th, 2007, 4:26pm
 
Hi Terry,
I know this request is several months old however, I wanted to let you know I have a treatment system that can reduce Hex Chome to ND levels without the use of filters or chemicals.  I have test results that I would gladly share with you from a project I worked with the National Guard in one of their AVCRAD locations in the NE.  They had a chemical wash for thier air frames used prior to repainting them that had Hex Chrome in it.  We successfully treated the wash water and reduced the Hex Chrome to the Non-detect levels.
If you would like a copy of the test results I can e-mail them to you on your request.
Thanks, Mike Solomon
my e-mail is:  mike @baycompliance.com
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Reply #15 - Jan 22nd, 2007, 7:15am
 
Dear BCSMike,

it would be more helpful if you would not only state you have a technology reducing it to non detectable levels.
Please provide information on the technology used and by which mechanism it achieves the results.

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Reply #16 - Jan 22nd, 2007, 4:19pm
 
I commonly use sodium metabisulfite to reduce hex Cr to Tri. If you have a problem even after doing that, a little ferrous sulfate helps. Sulfites sometimes do not force the reaction to completion. I've found this to be a problem in high TDS wastewaters, for some reason.

Sodium hydrosulfite is good for reducing hex to tri at much higher pH levels than sulfites. But, it is much more expensive, and there are safety issues with it. If it gets a bit damp, it can be spontaneously flammable.
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Reply #17 - Mar 1st, 2007, 4:04am
 
Dear all,
I am a newbie with BIG problem that needs your advices.
I just started the commissioning of a Cr waste water treatment plant. Following is my procedure I have done.
- Dilute Cr waste water with portable water (actual result: pH=0.99, ORP=785mV)
- Use NaHSO3 and H2SO4 to keep condition of pH=2.5 and ORP=250mV (actual result: pH=2.17 and ORP=241mV)
- Use NaOH to increase pH=8 (actual result: pH=7.98 and ORP= -124mV)
At that time the color of waste water was changed from redish brown to very dark green color.
I have not got the analysis result of inlet and outlet so I don't know how much Cr6+ was changed to Cr3+. But the problem is I could not find the sedimentation when I dosed FeCl3 finally (no floc appears).

Please help me to find the reason  Undecided ???
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Reply #18 - Mar 1st, 2007, 1:18pm
 
ORP is good for automatic process control. But, if I were you, if you're operating on a batch basis, I'd rely on spot tests for hexchrome.

A pH of 8 is a little low for Cr3+ removal at the end, if you ask me, theoretical EPA charts notwithstanding. I'd try it at about 9, perhaps with a little calcium hydroxide.

And, try it without dilution! If there is any alternative, I avoid dilution...it's like making the first step in your treatment the generation of more waste.
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Reply #19 - Mar 1st, 2007, 3:25pm
 
Eproj wrote on Oct 12th, 2006, 3:06pm:
Has anyone heard of using such reducing compounds in liquid form as a rinse for parts that may have Cr(VI) on the surface or if the part is porous, converting the Cr(VI) within?  Vendor names that could help me with this?

Thanks
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I had the experience of providing consulting services to a company that was applying conversion coatings to aluminium, their coating was non adherent, and cracked all over.

The problem turned out to be them using recycled water in the post chromating rinse. It had excess sulfites in it, among other things.

I'd be very careful implementing a solution like you describe in production.
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Reply #20 - Mar 1st, 2007, 8:41pm
 
Kei,

FeCl3 may have lowered the pH to the point where nothing precipitated. Check the final pH.

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Reply #21 - Mar 2nd, 2007, 2:10pm
 
Hello,

Depending water characterization, you can also look to filter the Cr VI directly with Metallx. Look at : www.solmetex.com

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Reply #22 - Mar 5th, 2007, 2:27pm
 
I looked at that website. Interesting!

Will the material, when loaded with Cr6+, pass a TCLP test?
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Reply #23 - May 21st, 2012, 8:47am
 
This post is older but I thought I would post the procedure I used for a wastestream with a high [Cr+6] for others seeking information.  The original concentration of Total Chromium was 3.7 mg/L and our final analytical yielded a Total Chromium of 0.1 mg/L.  First, the pH of the wastestream was lowered to 2.5 using Sulfuric Acid.  Next, magnesium bisulfite was added until the color of the water changed from yellow to blue (sodium bisulfite can also be used but the color change goes from yellow to clear).  At this point the majority of Cr+6 is changed to Cr+3.  Once this reaction took place the pH was adjusted to a 9 with Sodium hydroxide.  Next, a coagulant followed by an anionic polymer was applied before sending the wastestream to our DAF.  By raising the pH and applying coagulant/anionic polymer the chromium is preciptated out in its trivalent form and skimmed off with the rest of the sludge from the DAF to be sent to a lined landfill.  Hope this helps.
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Reply #24 - May 21st, 2012, 2:04pm
 
kyleallenpearson wrote on May 21st, 2012, 8:47am:
This post is older but I thought I would post the procedure I used for a wastestream with a high [Cr+6] for others seeking information.  The original concentration of Total Chromium was 3.7 mg/L and our final analytical yielded a Total Chromium of 0.1 mg/L.  First, the pH of the wastestream was lowered to 2.5 using Sulfuric Acid.  Next, magnesium bisulfite was added until the color of the water changed from yellow to blue (sodium bisulfite can also be used but the color change goes from yellow to clear).  At this point the majority of Cr+6 is changed to Cr+3.  Once this reaction took place the pH was adjusted to a 9 with Sodium hydroxide.  Next, a coagulant followed by an anionic polymer was applied before sending the wastestream to our DAF.  By raising the pH and applying coagulant/anionic polymer the chromium is preciptated out in its trivalent form and skimmed off with the rest of the sludge from the DAF to be sent to a lined landfill.  Hope this helps.

The process that you've described is the standard method for converting hex chrome to trivalent chrome.  Every plating shop that treats its waste water does this.
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Reply #25 - Jun 30th, 2012, 5:55am
 
dear all

hexavalent chromium can be reduced to trivalent chromium by a reducing agent like ferrous sulfate  or sodium metabisulfate
the reaction take palce at acidic ph

decrease the ph with sulphuric acid 2-3

add reducing agent ferrous sulfate  1 : 12

allow it for 10 min

raise the ph to 8.5 with lime to precipitate the trivalent chromium as chromium hydroxide






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