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Mar 30th, 2010, 12:31pm
 
Any one have a procedure for how to take a very dry sample 90% solids and mix it with water and extract the liquid and do the a membrane filtration analysis for fecals.  Yes, I know how to do the test but I can't find a method or procedure for preparing the sample.  Do I blend it, stir it, homogenize it?  All the methods seem to be tailored for water or sewer.  The MTF technique just state to inoculate the tubes but it doesn't give any idea on what the best method is for inoculating the tube.  The solid stays intact in the tube and doesn't rehydrate.  Any thought on this subject or SOPs would be nice.
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Reply #1 - Mar 30th, 2010, 1:46pm
 
Mr. Holmes:

I would not recommend using MF for doing this specially when you start having large concentration of solids.  Multiple tube is way better.

You can try EPA Method 1680:

http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/methods/method/biological/1680_1.pdf

Or you can try and access what is referred to as the White House manual, EPA/625/R-92/013 known as "Control of Pathogens and Vector Attraction in Sewage Sludge"

http://www.epa.gov/nrmrl/pubs/625r92013/625r92013.htm

Or send me a PM with your e-mail address and I can send you our own lab SOP.
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Reply #2 - Mar 30th, 2010, 2:08pm
 
We do the MF technique for fecal coliform on our sludge. It is 24 %TS and we weigh about 1 gram wet weight into a 100 ml dilution blank and homogenize until dispensed. It does not take long and does not generate heat to kill the bacteria. We then filter various amounts so as to get a good count. We are producing a class B sludge so the counts are high enough so that the solids do not interfer with growth. We have compared favorably with the MPN procedure.
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Reply #3 - Mar 30th, 2010, 2:42pm
 
I've got an official document from someone, don't remember who, that describes how to homogenize solid samples.  It is referring to MPN's but you can use the same homogenization procedure to do MF.  I've got a PDF for it but it is just a tad large to attach.  I can email it if you want.
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Reply #4 - Mar 30th, 2010, 3:18pm
 
Victor wrote on Mar 30th, 2010, 1:46pm:
Mr. Holmes:

I would not recommend using MF for doing this specially when you start having large concentration of solids.  Multiple tube is way better.

You can try EPA Method 1680:

http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/methods/method/biological/1680_1.pdf

Or you can try and access what is referred to as the White House manual, EPA/625/R-92/013 known as "Control of Pathogens and Vector Attraction in Sewage Sludge"

http://www.epa.gov/nrmrl/pubs/625r92013/625r92013.htm

Or send me a PM with your e-mail address and I can send you our own lab SOP.


Victor do you think MPN is better because you would have concerns over turbidity/discoloration on the filter?  The product  need to test is a pellet about the size of popcorn kernels.  I spoke with someone at a commercial lab and they mix it with a spatula then then extract the water with a pipettor and  filter it.  I am concerned that bacteria could be locked up on the inside of the pellet and never actually be exposed to the aqueous soln.  

I have a similar concern for MPN.  If I put the pellet directly in the tube then the inside of the pellet never comes in contact with the solution.  I suppose this wouldn't really effect the formation of gas but I would appreciate your thought on the subject.

And I will PM you for how to treat the sample prior to inoculation.  thanks for the help.
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Reply #5 - Mar 30th, 2010, 3:24pm
 
David S. wrote on Mar 30th, 2010, 2:42pm:
I've got an official document from someone, don't remember who, that describes how to homogenize solid samples.  It is referring to MPN's but you can use the same homogenization procedure to do MF.  I've got a PDF for it but it is just a tad large to attach.  I can email it if you want.


Please email me the procedure.  I have heard various techniques from stirring with a spatula to blending with a blender.  Would you agree with Victor about MTF for this application over MF?
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Reply #6 - Mar 30th, 2010, 3:34pm
 
Yes, I do agree about MTF over MF in this particular application.  Due to the nature of the solids and the greater difficulty in a truley homogenous blend I think the MTF will give better results.  Email is on its way.
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Reply #7 - Mar 30th, 2010, 3:35pm
 
We use a stainless steel blender that has been autoclave for sterility.  50 grams of BP cake is mixed with 450 ml of sterile PO4 buffer and blended for approximately 10-15 seconds for a 1:10 dilution.  Since our fecal coliforms per gram of total solids is <10 our lowest dilution is 1:100 any other dilutions are too viscous and literally obscure the tubes.  In your case, I have no idea if your "solids" that you are describing are capable of being broke down.  Yes, they do need to because you may have bacteria that are not being counted.   MF confluent growth is what I'm worried about as well as interference by solids on the filters.
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Reply #8 - Mar 30th, 2010, 3:35pm
 
I agree with Victor that the MTF might be better than MF if the bacterial count is low and the %TS is high. With the MF technique you can only filter a finite amount of sample or you will blind the filter with solids and no colonies will grow. Metals toxicity will also affect the colony growth.
You still have to crush the pellets and get them in suspension to get a representive sample on the filter or into a tube to be able to get good results. Check for reprducibility of you analysis on the same sample.
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