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Cloudy Effluent & Bulking in the Clarifiers
Aug 23rd, 2010, 7:48am
 
Been having transmittance problems with my UV disinfection, high fecal counts. Possibly due to the effluent being cloudy? Also have some bulking going on in the clarifier. Extended Aeration Plant is in parallel operation. Influent goes through headworks to EQ Tanks (DO <.5), through D-Box to 2 oval oxidation ditches with mechanical aerators operated automatically by DO Probe/SCADA. 2 30ft Clarifiers with the sweep arm making a single rotation in about 15-20 min. Then to UV Disinfection and then discharged. RAS is sent back to the EQ Tanks.
Inf: BOD 303mg/l, TSS 260mg/l Ammonia 56mg/l
EFF: BOD 5.6mg/l, TSS 8mg/l   30min Settle - 340  Ammonia .5mg/l   DO >4.0mg/l
AVG Flow .175mgd
MLSS 3300, RSSS 4200
DO in Oxidation ditches 1.8mg/l
SV!: 77 & 97      SA: 13days
Anyone have some ideas to clean up the effluent cloudiness and stop the bulking in the clarifiers?

Idea of sending the RAS to the EQ Tanks was to create an anoxic zone to help with ammonia removal.
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Re: Cloudy Effluent & Bulking in the Clarifiers
Reply #1 - Aug 23rd, 2010, 8:01am
 
Waste sludge. Sound like your inventory is too high. It is not always a matter of MLSS or sludge age. Sludge can still get old and endogenous if you have a large volume of sludge is in the system. If so then you need to lower your MLSS. Sometimes the inventory of sludge can be a better parameter to watch. Such as having a plant with a volume of 4 MG. The MLSS of 2000 would be roughly the same as 4000 in a smaller plant. The way you operate the plant, you have basically three aeration basins.

Sending the RAS back to the EQ tanks is not a good idea. You have essentially turned it into an aeration basin and has to be considered a part of the activated sludge system. Stop doing this and send to the oxidation ditches. The lower that MLSS which will rise due to this. The EQ basin is strictly for equalization, not treatment.

Something to consider...
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Reply #2 - Aug 23rd, 2010, 1:03pm
 
I agree with Steve's advice about not sending the RAS to the EQ tank.  If the RAS spens too long, or not enough time in a selector it is not effective.

Is it possible to cycle the aeration- with the time when they're off for denitrification under anoxic conditions?- better yet would be to create an anoxic zone in your ditch.  

Is your RAS turned up as much as possible? How high is the sludge blanket? A microscopic evaluation of your sludge would be extremely helpful in troubleshooting. The fact that you describe the supernatant as cloudy raises a red flag- if it's filamentous bulking the supernatant should be very clear- also your SVI doesn't seem to be horribly high.

Is it cloudy on the settleabilty test as well as in the clarifier? Does the sludge settle rapidly (with the first 10 minutes) or does it take the whole half hour or even longer? Personally I'd like a little bit more info before I decide to increase the wasting rate.
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Reply #3 - Aug 23rd, 2010, 2:38pm
 
My reasoning on the wasting is based on the reroute of the RAS to the aeration basins. When that occurs, the sludge inventory will be high due to the reduction in basin volume as compared to the amount of sludge that will be cleared from the EQ Tank. The problem is the F/M ratio (Food / Mass or MLVSS) will be way off. The sludge being fed with a low ratio has probably become endogenous to the point of digesting itself. When the cells start lysis, the effluent will become cloudy. By wasting, he will reduce the old sludge and encourage a younger more viable biomass.

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Reply #4 - Aug 23rd, 2010, 4:03pm
 
ok- I understand your reasoning now Smiley he'll just need to be sure that's the cause of the cloudiness and not something else like increased load the plant or some kind of toxicity.
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Reply #5 - Aug 23rd, 2010, 4:26pm
 
True that... doncha love these long distance trouble shooting sessions. Kinda feel like we are the wastewater EHarmony for bacteria....
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Reply #6 - Aug 23rd, 2010, 10:55pm
 
I really appreciate all of the help. We are going to be wasting more.
The RAS is at 100% all of the time, it's either all or nothing. The sludge blanket is about 1ft and the 5 min settleometer is about 550.
My capabilities for doing a microscopic evaluation is limited, sending a sample to be evaluated sounds like a good idea.

I am a new operator and have just taken over a plant that was run out of design for quite a few years. It has been put back into design process along with some recent upgrades. First time the plant has run in parallel with the upgrades so it is all very new.
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Reply #7 - Aug 24th, 2010, 1:27am
 
Dear Trip510,

until you do not succeed in adjusting the biological process addition of coagulants or flocculants might be necessary. As you suspected, UV disinfection of cloudy effluent does not work properly.

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Reply #8 - Aug 24th, 2010, 6:59am
 
Trip510,
What do you mean by "bulking" in the clarifiers?

Your SVIs are low, do you mean rising sludge due to denitrification?

Can you send your RAS to the the point where influent enters your ditch?

Where do you measure your DO in the ditch - how close to the aerators?

Your scraper speed - can you be more precise?

Cloudiness in my opinion is due to any or all of the following (taking into account your quite good effluent figures):
  • over aeration
  • excessive sludge age
  • over-chlorinating for SVI control
  • plant recovering from a shock/toxic load

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Reply #9 - Aug 24th, 2010, 8:54am
 
We currently add PAC to the influent to remove phosphorus. This is the only coagulant/flocculant added.

Yes, I believe the rising sludge is due to denitrification. I do have the ability to send the RAS to the ditches.

The DO is measured about 10 feet up stream of the aerators in the middle of the flow. It is also measured by handheld at the outfall of the ditches. I timed the scraper speed and it is 9 minutes per revolution.
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Reply #10 - Aug 24th, 2010, 11:39pm
 
Trip510,
Your clarifiers are not the problem - good scraper speed there.

Your DO of 1.8 mg/L upstream of the aerators is a concern.  An oxidation ditch (that is required to nitrify and denitrify) should have a DO of about 1-2mg/L for say 40 to 60% of the length - the portion of ditch upstream of the aerators should have a low DO, typically less than 0.3mg/L to drive denitrification.

It is best do a DO profile along the whole ditch (a reading every 10% of the toatl length) rather than at one point so you can get an idea if your anoxic zone is adequate in size.

I'd say get the DO down a bit, upstream of your aerator for starters.

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Reply #11 - Apr 9th, 2012, 5:46pm
 
Geoff wrote on Aug 24th, 2010, 6:59am:
Trip510,
What do you mean by "bulking" in the clarifiers?

Your SVIs are low, do you mean rising sludge due to denitrification?

Can you send your RAS to the the point where influent enters your ditch?

Where do you measure your DO in the ditch - how close to the aerators?

Your scraper speed - can you be more precise?

Cloudiness in my opinion is due to any or all of the following (taking into account your quite good effluent figures):
  • over aeration
  • excessive sludge age
  • over-chlorinating for SVI control
  • plant recovering from a shock/toxic load

Cheers


Hi Geoff,

Can you explain why over-aeration makes cloudiness?
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Reply #12 - Apr 9th, 2012, 9:22pm
 
A combination of long sludge ages and over-aeration can produce damaged floc which looks like numerous pin head sized pieces in the effluent so the effluent is not as clear as it could be.  

Also we have to be clear on what you mean by "cloudiness".  If you under aerate you can end up with a slightly milky appearance in the effluent.  This would also mean the effluent BOD was too high.  In the example quoted in this post the effluent BOD was low so under-aeration was not the issue.


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