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Jul 25th, 2011, 12:40pm
 
We currently are using PAC, polyaluminum chloride, to settle out our phosphorus.  We started using it this past winter and were getting excellent results.  Recently we've had to add more PAC daily to help keep the phosphorus levels down but our phosphorus levels keep wanting to increase.  We aren't in violation but before it gets there we'd like to get a better handle on this.  I'm wondering if it's working similar to polymer and the charges aren't agreeing between phosphates and PAC.  Or if you have other suggestions that may help us.  Thanks in advance!
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Reply #1 - Jul 25th, 2011, 4:15pm
 
pH is very important for determining the solubility of Aluminum Phosphate. Minimum solubility is around pH 6. You need to track the pH as well as the influent phosphates.

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Reply #2 - Jul 26th, 2011, 1:56am
 
Two points to consider beside pH

change in wastewater to be treated
phosphate concentration and composition, total suspended solids

change in the PAC
concentration and quality may have changed.

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Reply #3 - Jul 26th, 2011, 6:00am
 
Our pH average daily is 6.  When I talked to the manufacturer of the PAC he said to add more alkalinity.  We normally add 350lbs of soda ash daily and have bumped it up to 450lbs.  Our effluent alkalinity is anywhere between 40-45 recently and is normally 50-60.  Also our settling is very rapid and we've made some operational adjustments to help slow it down.  Could this be the cause of the PAC not settling out as well?
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Reply #4 - Jul 26th, 2011, 10:53am
 
yes. The biology is always a huge factor that chemical salesmen often overlook.(almost never a good idea to rely on them for operations help- the solution is always add more chemicals!) Rapidly settling sludge leaves pin floc behind, maybe the PAC isn't catching all of it.

What operational changes have been made?

Look at the orthophoshate concentration before the PAC addition as stated, has that gone up? Do you use biological phoshorus removal? perhaps an upset? Also check the DO and ORP in the clarifier- a septic clarifier can re-release nutrients.

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Reply #5 - Jul 26th, 2011, 2:48pm
 
In addition to Sobisch's suggestions; you might want to run duplicate samples (one filtered and the other filtered to determine if the TSSs are a significant contributor to the effluent P concentration.

I'm unsure what your P limit is, but if it is low the TSSs may significantly contribute to the P concentration and could possibly be due to the operational changes.

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Reply #6 - Jul 27th, 2011, 7:47am
 
Ok, I ran a filtered Effluent P test and an unfiltered.  The results I have (this is only for ortho-P) are filtered was .697, unfiltered was .726 and I also did a ortho-P in the clarifier which came out to be .720.  Our phosphorus limit is 1.0mg/L.  Our settling is at already at 120 after 5 minutes of the settle-o-meter test.  We don't have an ORP meter, our pH meter does show mV but I'm not sure that would be an accurate reading to use.  I think that mV pertains to the slope of the pH meter?  We just ordered a portable DO meter and currently take samples only from the top part of the oxidation ditch, clarifier and effluent post aeration tank. (To me our readings of DO aren't as accurate that way, the ditch is 18 foot deep and the clarifiers are about 12 foot deep.  We see a lot of large floc in the clarifier and we add the PAC into the flume between the ditch and the clarifier since it gets decent mixing action there.  Also I was wondering if the level of ortho-P in the tap water would contribute?  That reading is .495.
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Reply #7 - Jul 27th, 2011, 9:11am
 
I borrowed another local WWTP portable LDO meter and the oxidation ditch reads 3.0 and the clarifier reads 2.9.
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Reply #8 - Jul 27th, 2011, 10:19am
 
The P is soluble (in the form of orthophoshate). Increasing the chemical feed will bring it down. You might have to keep a close eye on your alkalinity as increasing it may lower the alkalinity and the pH.

I'm curious why you have to use PAC? it's awfully expensive and alum or ferric chloride will work.

Sounds like your sludge is settling very rapidly, are you increasing the wasting rate yet.
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Reply #9 - Jul 27th, 2011, 11:05am
 
We were using Ferrous Sulfate and we were using 150 gallons/day.  We had PAC bench tested and it was cheaper due to the fact we need to use less of it, we use about 20-24 gallons/day.  Also since it is an unregulated chemical we don't need to install a spill area for the tanker truck and deal with issues of having a regulated chemical.  We were cited by the DEC for chemical bulk storage for not having a spill area for the truck and some other violations that we fixed.  In the long run PAC ended up being cheaper.
Years ago they used alum but it didn't work as well and that is why we had switched to Ferrous Sulfate.
We have increased the wasting rate, but our sludge is younger than it usually is.
I'm not sure why our HACH Colorimeter is reading higher than our actual lab results.  The meter is new and should be calibrated properly.
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