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High effluent TSS for months
Aug 04th, 2011, 12:48am
 
Hi, I just came on site at a waste water plant, they have had high TSS for almost a year in their effluent.

The plant is in northern Alberta, it takes care of waste-water exclusively for dorms and kitchens.

The operator before claims the problem started when the camp changed detergents. but the camp has gone almost detergent free for quite a while now.

The limits are 25mg/L for both BOD and TSS, this is our only limit other than flow

Some figures for the month of July
            Mean        Min         Max
Influent   61m3       35m3      61m3
BOD       489mg/L   323mg/L  772mg/L
TSS        404mg/L   184mg/L 1000mg/L

Influent pH 7.3
Aeration pH 5.1
Effluent pH 6.5

We have been adding some soda ash, but we don't have that much left, my manager, (less experience than I do) feels that soda ash adds TSS.

Settling 10%
MLSS 2600mg/L

About two weeks ago, it was working fairly well, my manager wasted quite a bit, he brought the MLSS down quite a bit, because of the foam on the aeration tank. He feels we need to waste the "old bad" bacteria.

Well now he's gone, and we haven't wasted in over a week now. But it doesn't seem to be getting better. Our field TSS for today was as high as 60mg/L though the only way to test it here is using the Hach DR-890. and that is usually about twice as high as the lab results. So we are about 30mg/L.

Any suggestions would help
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Re: High effluent TSS for months
Reply #1 - Aug 4th, 2011, 12:55am
 
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150271078814861.350380.508854860&l=678c280cc7&type=1

Some pictures of the foam in our plant
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Reply #2 - Aug 4th, 2011, 2:13am
 
mrbouf,
A few quick observations:
  • aeration pH (5.1) indicates a lack of alkalinity -such a low pH will kill many of the viable bacteria.  I assume you are trying to nitrify?
  • soda ash doesn't add to TSS - its job is to maintain an environment for the bacteria to sustain growth.
  • you only get rid of "bad bacteria" by slowly increasing wasting and being patient
  • you need to keep the aeration pH ideally above 7.0 - best way to see if you are doing OK is to measure effluent alkalinity - it should be above 50mg/L.  Above 70mg/L is even better.
  • You need to calculate your sludge age.

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Reply #3 - Aug 4th, 2011, 2:17am
 
well as we aren't wasting at the moment, sludge age isn't easily calculated.

our only effluent criteria is BOD and TSS, so ammonia in the effluent isn't a concern, I know a well operating plant will have limited ammonia in the effluent, but we don't have a way to test for it. We don't test TKN on the influent.

I'll try to get some alkalinity test strips
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Reply #4 - Aug 4th, 2011, 1:45pm
 
One issue you will want to address is consistency. I assume you are working some sort of rotation as you are in the Ft. Mac area. Wasting quite a bit for 2 weeks and not wasting anything for another week is just going to set the plant back.

Judging by the pictures, your sludge age is fairly high. Your system needs time to stabilize and adjust to the change in wasting, which needs to be consistent. Get your manager on the same page, try one adjustment and give it time to stabilize.

In the meantime, do you have any sort of polishing unit post-clarifier you can remove TSS with? Have you checked all the mechanical components (RAS pumps come to mind) to ensure they are all functioning properly?

BTW, are those BOD/TSS figures of the final effluent?
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Reply #5 - Aug 4th, 2011, 5:26pm
 
You might want to review:

http://www.waterandwastewater.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1310499279

This might be a solution for your problems (read all of the postings.

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Re: High effluent TSS for months
Reply #6 - Aug 5th, 2011, 5:33am
 
ParadoxWater wrote on Aug 4th, 2011, 1:45pm:
BTW, are those BOD/TSS figures of the final effluent?


Those are influent

Effluent yo-yo's between around 25 to as high as 100 sometimes, (though the really high peaks don't seem too long)
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Reply #7 - Aug 5th, 2011, 7:24am
 
Hi mrbouf,
Based on the information provided I suspect that this plant may be "flying blindfolded" a bit.
The pictures of the sludge show the sludge to be slightly greyish in colour, suggesting that it might be lacking a little in Dissolved Oxygen.
The Aeration pH of 5.1 is definitely too low. Now the question is why.... is it because because of nitrification or because of something else?
Based on the pH of the incoming wastewater being at 7.3 then Nitrification may be the issue. I accept that this does not match up with the "lacking in dissolved oxygen comment" made above.
So with this type of confusion could I suggest that you post details of the plant to include Artation Tank operating capacity, Typical Dissolved Oxygen level  in Aeration tank, Mixed Liquor suspended Solids level in mg/L, Operating temperature of the aeration tank, Capacity of the aeration system, (either in terms of actual oxygen input rates or air flow from blower, or kW rating of the aerator), Surface area of the clarifier, other dimensions of the clarifier, sludge return rate, (& whether its continuous or intermittent & of intermittent what is the frequency), details of sludge wasting, (how much, how often, etc).
Maybe then you will get more help on how to resolve the current problem.
Hope that this helps.
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Reply #8 - Aug 5th, 2011, 8:07am
 
You state that nitrification is not required, so take process control steps to eliminate it from happening.  Do not allow your MLSS to become too high and do not run a high SRT for these will stimulate nitrification.  

Slowly increase your wasting rate to lower your MLSS concentration down to around 2000 mg/l.  Allow it to remain at that level for a few days to see if effluent numbers begin to improve.  If necessary, reduce the MLSS through wasting an increased amount of no more than 10% more than before.  Get your MLSS down to around 1500 mg/l and check to see if your effluent numbers have improved isgnificantly.  You simply need to systematically search for your ideal operating parameters.  Short term remedy for the low pH in aeration is chemical addition to raise it up close to 7.0 and to increase alkalinity for it most likely is too low.  

Do you measure sludge blanket depths in your clarifier/s?  Holding too much sludge there can allow solids to hydraulically leave over its weirs which can be your source of BOD and TSS.  Hope any of this helps direct you in the right direction to solve your problems.

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Reply #9 - Aug 5th, 2011, 4:04pm
 
The MLSS is around 2600 mg/L

The DO of the aeration tank varys between 1.0mg/L and 2.0mg/L

The sludge blanket is usually around 2 feet.

I started adding much more soda ash last night, but we are on our second to last bag, hopefully more arrives soon! I got the aeration pH from 5.9 to 6.8. Our EQ tank pH was as high as 8.6. But I used 1/2 a bag to get it there.

I think when they removed most of the detergents from the camp, we lost a lot of potential alkalinity coming in.

Aeration tank capacity is 87m3

Operating temperature, feel warm, maybe 25ēC? If it was a swimming pool, I'd jump right in!  Grin

The EQ feed pump was 85 L/min last night, and RAS was 110 L/min continuous.

I started wasting 1/2 a cube last night. I will be going on days off on Tuesday. I hope I can get the other two operators to operate it the way I instruct them.
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Reply #10 - Aug 6th, 2011, 9:02am
 
Looks like you are operating with a F:M around 0.13 and a solids inventory of 226 kg.

Assuming your RAS concentration is 2x the MLSS concentration (based on your flows and MLSS), wasting 2.5 m3/d should hold you steady. As Raj said, your desired MLSS may be in the 1500-2000 mg/L range, wasting 4.0 m3/d over two weeks should get you down there.

As mentioned by others, you are "flying blind" in certain aspects of the system and should make any changes gradually. Let us know how it goes.
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Reply #11 - Jan 23rd, 2012, 5:01am
 
I've been sent back to this site, and its the same old issues.

There are a few clumps (<1") red worms that are in small clumps in the clairifer weir.

In the mixed liquor, you see quite a few of them, as well as a few rotifers. No free swimmers. MLSS was 2660, I'm suggesting we bring the MLSS down to about 2000 for the time now.

Now we have a microscope. Using an iphone I grabbed a little video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjeTLTYepAY
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Reply #12 - Jan 23rd, 2012, 8:05am
 
Red worms and rotifers with no free swimmers indicates an old sludge.  It is going towards past prime condition.  As mentioned previously, you ought to get the MLSS down below 2000 mg/l in order to return the bugs into their optimum growth zone.

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Reply #13 - Jan 23rd, 2012, 1:21pm
 
What is the current sludge age? Sludge wasting should be consistant on a daily basis. The biological population (microscope) indicates an old sludge which indicates a lack of consistent (wasted sludge/total sludge) wasting. Now, the problem is variation of input and this is the primary problem to be addressed. Is this a work camp? Are truckloads of waste from "porta-pottys" occasionaly dumped to the system? Does the camp's population change from day to day or from week to week? Perhaps you may want to try establishing an average sludge age before trying to adjust wasting on a daily basis.

A laboratory centrifuge can be used to estimate MLSS concentrations as well as RAS concentrations to help stabilizing sludge age in the aeration tank (if you are interested; I can elaborate on the procedure).

One caution: MLSS determinations do not indicate the biological population distribution of organisms in the aeration tanks; just the total mass of organisms. Various organisms have different growth and death rates so that sludge age is one of the better ways of stabilizing the population distribution of organisms in the aeration system.

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Reply #14 - Jan 23rd, 2012, 4:21pm
 
mrbouf:

Your low pH is probably the cause for the long-term high effluent TSS. You really need to keep the pH at 7.0 or above. It is a common obervation that removing detergents reduces alkalinity and can cause this problem. Part of "pollution" prevention...

The red worms are tubiflex worms. These indicate old, septic sludge deposits. You may need to increase mixing and also check the final clarifier for sludge deposits.

Hope that this helps.
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Reply #15 - Feb 25th, 2012, 9:59am
 
Thanks for your help everyone, I have been left alone at the plant, and brought our TSS under control, simply by adding more TSS and bringing our sludge age down.

Until now, I was always micromanaged and as soon as the TSS was down, we would be told to start bringing the MLSS up, so we could waste a thicker sludge or something.

Getting a microscope was a huge help, as soon as I looked in it, it was nothing but tons of bristleworms. It was easy to see we had to reduce sludge age. Now we have many many free swimmers, a few of those long swimmy things, and a bristle worm here or there. No rotifers, stalked cilates, or cilates.

So now, when the population of the camp rises, and our flow say doubles for a few months, or due to issues with the second WWTP, we should keep the same F:M ratio, and approx double our MLSS from its current 2,000 to about 4,000?

We have a membrane plant next door, with some foaming issues; I don't see much activity in the ML in the microscope. Should we run that plant at a similar F:M ratio as the extended aeration plant that is working so well now?

Are we looking for the same protazoa in a membrane plant as we are in our areation/clarifier plant?
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Reply #16 - Feb 25th, 2012, 11:07am
 
increasing the MLSS when the loading rate increases is a good idea. If you know when this is coming you can gradually bring it up before the event.

Glad everything is working good, but be cautious of relying on protozoa/ metazoa under the microscope for process control. These change quickly depending on the amount of dispersed bacteria (which most of them eat) and only make up roughly 5% of the biomass. Identifying filaments present, floc size, floc characteristics, other bacteria present gives you a much better idea of what's going on. These take much longer to change.

As for the membrane plant (MBR?) these are a bit of a different animal since the MLSS is typically run so high. The foam needs to be analyzed under the scope to see what it is (filaments, polyscharide, surfactant etc?). I help consult one that runs best on an unbelieveably long sludge age. We promote a high degree of endogeny so we don't have to waste as much. We need to know the cause of the foaming before a control strategy can be offered.
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Reply #17 - Feb 25th, 2012, 3:39pm
 
I know we are supposed to run the MBR plant fairly high.

Right now the standard plant is running around an MLSS of 2000, Aeration basin is 87m3

The MBR plant has an aeration/eq tank of 81m3, but it is typically kept about 50% full. So to keep the F:M ratio at the same level as the standard aeration plant, we'd only be shooting for about and MLSS of 4000, assuming the flows are split equally.

The quality of the permate has always been excellent, its just this darn foam. Its thick and persistant. The foam that creeped over a ledge 3 days ago is still there.
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Reply #18 - Feb 25th, 2012, 4:28pm
 
mrbouf:

You really need to have the foam looked at microscopically and diagnosed properly. It could be grease and oil or other surfactabt; or it could be a filament foam like M. parvicella or Nocardia.

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Reply #19 - Feb 25th, 2012, 8:03pm
 
How does someone learn how to start looking at the sludge?
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Reply #20 - Feb 26th, 2012, 12:25am
 
mrbouf:

It takes some experience and practice to do this. I suggest that you have someone with this expertise do it for you now (you need this analysis now).  You can learn how to do this by taking a class or getting the book: Manual on the Causes and Control of Activated Sludge Bulking, Foaming and Other Solids Separation Problems, D. Jenkins, M. Richard and G. Daigger, 3rd ed.

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