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pH of BOD dilution water
Jan 02nd, 2012, 9:02pm
 
We recently had to change the pH probe that we use to check the pH of our BOD dilution water. Ever since doing this, the pH of the BOD dilution water that we make up according to standard methods has been low (about pH = 6.4). When we use the new probe to measure a known standard, it reads right on the mark. We can't figure out why our dilution water is not falling in the pH 6.5 - 7.5 range when we are making it up exactly as standard methods calls for. We suspect that our old probe was incorrect, since our new probe is consistent with pH paper results whereas our old probe was not.
What could be going on here? We have been adding over twice as much buffer to get the dilution water pH value in range.
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Re: pH of BOD dilution water
Reply #1 - Jan 3rd, 2012, 11:00am
 
Are you making the DW from scratch (dry salts) each time, or working from stock solutions?  If this is the case, age of these stock salts and do they seem different in color or consistency?

Stock solutions...made or bought?  Same questions on age.

Make sure the slope of the pH calibration is within the manuf range of slope.

What do you mean by "We have been adding over twice as much buffer to get the dilution water pH value in range."  I can make a couple swag's at this, but describe what this means.

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Reply #2 - Jan 3rd, 2012, 11:20am
 
Where is your water coming from?  If you have slightly acidic water to begin with (sometimes what comes out of DI systems has a pretty low pH) that buffer won't do what it is supposed to do.  Make sure your buffer is at the right pH to begin with.  Was it made with the old probe or the new probe checking the pH?  The 21st edition of SM does not have a pH requirement spelled out for the dilution water, at least not one that I can find.
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Re: pH of BOD dilution water
Reply #3 - Jan 3rd, 2012, 1:30pm
 
Thank you for the responses.
We are making the DW with prepared stock solutions that we have bought. I doubt that the age of the solutions is an issue since we have used 2 different lots since this problem has come up.
The slope of the pH calibration falls within the manufacturer's range.
Standard Methods calls for adding a specified amount of buffer to the DW, and also the prepared solutions that we buy states on the bottles how much should be added. (I'm pretty sure the amounts are the same, but I won't be back at work for a couple of days to double check on this.) Right now, we are adding over twice as much as is prescribed.
Our buffer is at the right pH to begin with (7.2), as it is prepared commercially. I think our DI water reads 4 something, but I would think the buffer would readily bring the pH up.
As far as the requirement for the pH of the DW, I was working on the assumption that the DW should have the same requirement as the samples. We double check the pH of our DW since we use HCl to help keep our glass jugs clean. We rinse them repeatedly, but maybe not well enough. Could the HCl be affecting the glass of our jugs that we use to make up our DW in? Is there something else that we should be cleaning them with?
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Reply #4 - Jan 3rd, 2012, 1:44pm
 
We had a very similar situation at a lab where I used to work.  Our DI water was often around 4 and when we added all the nutrients and buffer the dilution water pH would typically be in the mid 6 range.  We were making 19 liters at a time so our solution was to add 1 drop of 10 N sodium hydroxide to the water.  This got us to 7.2 ± 0.1 every time.  I would definitely check for acid residual from your washing procedure by checking the pH of DI water added to the empty bottle.  If it falls below the pH of the DI water in some other container you know you have something going on in the bottle.  I always did my routine cleaning of the dilution water containers with an isopropyl alcohol solution.  Any little bit of that left over from rinsing wouldn't cause any uncorrectable problems.  It isn't in high enough concentrations to be toxic and the minimal contribution to depletion would be corrected for in the seed bottles. I would do acid washing once a week (we usually made 10-12 batches of dilution water per week) and get very excessive with the rinsing after acid washing.
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Reply #5 - Jan 3rd, 2012, 6:04pm
 
Thank you very much for the recommendations.
I will most definitely check to see if our cleaning procedure is the problem. I think that I may just make some DW and then put half of it one of our normal jugs as usual and then put the other half in some other container.
I never thought of adding the NaOH. I guess it was just too simple of a solution since it is what we do when our samples have too low of a pH. It's just another example of 2 heads always being better than one.   Smiley
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Reply #6 - Jan 5th, 2012, 9:09am
 
I would keep the addition of anything beyond the stipulated buffers out of your DW.  Check the pH of your DI water prior to adding buffers, you may have to change your source of DI water.  Yes, there could be an acidic residue inside your glass jars so check to make sure that is not the case.  Use an organic cleaner that does not leave a residue and once per month use a cleaner that can remove everything (like Chem-Solv).  Rinse, rinse, rinse, rinse!  

Don't increase the amount of buffer in order to increase the pH!  That violates the conditions of the test and invalidates your results.  Adding NaOH effectively does the same thing.  Find out why the pH of the water is so low to begin with and solve that problem in order to straighten out the entire test.

What is the source of your set up water?

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Reply #7 - Jan 5th, 2012, 4:16pm
 
Our setup water comes from an old Milli-Q four bowl (2 DIs, carbon, organic scavenger) point-of-use system.  It's putting out water with resistivity of at least 10 megohms/cm.  The prepared solutions we use to make up the water come from a reputable manufacturer that we've dealt with for years.
The new pH electrode checks out fine against the DMR-PE and QC samples we used in the last evaluation period.
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Reply #8 - Jan 6th, 2012, 10:08am
 
Perhaps that old unit is causing your low pH in the DI water to begin with and you need to correct that problem.  

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Reply #9 - Jan 8th, 2012, 9:14am
 
The DI water that goes into our unit initially has a pH of 6 something, but after going through the Milli-Q system it goes down to 4 something. Do you have any idea what causes the pH to go down so much, and why it is so resistant to adjustment? What specifically is it about our second purification step that could be causing this?
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Reply #10 - Jan 9th, 2012, 8:52am
 
Well, Standard Methods Edition 19 states that distilled water can contain ammonia or volatile organics.  If your unit deionizes the water fed to it then there could be soluble organics leaching into it from the resin bed.  

Type I reagent-grade water ought to have 10 megohms resistivity as a minimum, so you are right at the lower limit.  Looking at 9020B (microbiological examination quality control guidelines) in Standard Methods, it recommends keeping a close check on the lifetime of deionization system cartridges and activated carbon units.  When these items approach the exhaustion point the quality of the water produced abruptly becomes unacceptable.

If you are using a still to produce the feed water for the unit above, then do not store the water since it will absorb additional carbon dioxide and ammonia from the air.  Proper maintenance is important here as well.  

Since the BOD test is a bioassay test, using microorganisms to attain the results, it then follows logically that the water used in the test ought to meet the standards used in microbiolgical test methods.  

Table 9020:I in Standard Methods shows that there are several montoring tests that ought to be done on an ongoing basis each year for reagent-grade water used in bioassays.  I would apply these limits in an overlay fashion to those given in the BOD methodology in order to eliminate any problems with your water.  I would double check my history of changing out cartridges and carbon.  I would do some pH checks on cleaned glassware, etc with the use of bromthymol blue and observe the color reaction.  If you are using buffer solutions, and not ampules, it could be a matter of allowing the dilution water time to"age" and the pH will then rise into the acceptable range.  

I wish you the best in your efforts to identify the source of your problems.

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Re: pH of BOD dilution water
Reply #11 - Jan 10th, 2012, 10:12am
 
The first thing when checking pH is to perform QC with yor probe to ensure that you get good response with low ionic strength samples.

In my QC program, after calibration I check a 6.86 primary pH standard to verify the calibration. Then I make a 1 to 10 dilution, with DI water, of the 6.86 standard and check the pH of that dilution. The result should be 7.04 to 7.06 pH units as we have diluted the hydrogen ion content of the sample. If the pH remains the same or decreases then the reference of pH probe is not flowing enough to test for low ionic samples.

If the probe is good then check your dilution water. If not, then get a better pH probe.
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Reply #12 - Jan 22nd, 2012, 2:15pm
 
Yes! The problem was our probe. We should have thought of this since we started experiencing problems when we had to go to a different probe. We had no way of knowing which probe was correct. Obviously, we need to come up with a better QC program for the samples that we measure. Also, we are searching for a new probe that is suitable for measuring low ionic strength samples.
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Re: pH of BOD dilution water
Reply #13 - Jan 23rd, 2012, 7:48am
 
I use the Orion Ross Sureflow glass electrode. It is expensive so you might want to check other sureflow type electrodes. Any electrode that has a good continous, non prugging, reference junction should work.
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Reply #14 - Jan 23rd, 2012, 8:06pm
 
For pure water it is recommended that you sprinkle a few grains of KCl (same stuff in the pH probe internal solution) into the sample to allow it to come to equilibrium much faster.  Otherwise, your reading will drift.
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