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Jan 13th, 2012, 10:18am
 
Hi All!!

Happy New Year.

I want to know the maximum and minimum dimensional limits for all wastewater treatment units of the largest to smallest possible plants.

If my query is not clear pls. let me know to let me know about further  information required.

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Reply #1 - Jan 13th, 2012, 1:43pm
 
I'd be surprized if anyone will respond to this query. There are too many other variables that affect the size considerations of WWTPs. For example; depth may be impacted by compressor output, surface area may be impacted by land available, etc.,etc. Usually, each of the linear dimensions of a WWTP may be limited by some other design factor and so design factors are expressed in simple, numerical units such as m3/m2 overflow rates or Kg/m2 for soil loading rates, etc. I believe that you need to analyse the reason for your request and restate it.

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Reply #2 - Jan 13th, 2012, 2:18pm
 
Dear Mr. Grrun

Thanks for the response. I think that I should put my question rather in the following manner:

I am just giving technical data for a PST let me know the no of circular or rectangular tanks with a mention of maximum dimensions for example for plant with a peak flow of 200 MLD.

Detention Time                                                  4 hrs
Approach (Flow through) Velocity, m/min             3.0
SLR m3 per m[sup]2 per day[/sup]     2.0
WLR, m3 per m per day                     500
Peaking factor                                                   3.0

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Reply #3 - Jan 13th, 2012, 6:41pm
 
I'm not a designer, but I have used dimentional analysis to solve some problems:

Detention Time = 200,000 m3/6 = 33,333 m3

Flow Through Velocity= (200,000/3)/1440 = 46.3 m3/min

SLR m3/m2 = 200,000/2 = 100,000 m/day

WLR (m3/min)/day = (200,000/1440)/500 = 0.28

Peaking Factor = 3

I assume that the peaking factor means that peak flows are 3X design flow.

Therefore, If I remember right: Aeration tank volume should be:

100,000 m3(3) = 300,000 m3

and this is the point where my forgotten calculus would be handy to calculate the minimum surface area for circular and rectangular tanks
. The calculus can determine the minimum surface area to hold the volumes, but cannot accurately predict the minimum costs for construction because of other variables such as material costs. I guess that why I'm a troubleshooter rather than a designer.

I hope someone else, younger or smarter than me can help you. I should have thought this through before I started, sorry.

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Reply #4 - Jan 16th, 2012, 4:51am
 
Dear Mr. grrun

Hi!


thanks a lot for the help extended u r right that the meaning of peaking factor is 3X.

Thank u very much for the calculations.

Now one more question that what maximum rectangular or circular dimensions could be considered for a reactor of such huge volume?

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Reply #5 - Jan 16th, 2012, 10:08pm
 
JB wrote on Jan 13th, 2012, 10:18am:
Hi All!!

Happy New Year.

I want to know the maximum and minimum dimensional limits for all wastewater treatment units of the largest to smallest possible plants.

If my query is not clear pls. let me know to let me know about further  information required.

Regards

JB  


It might be handy to know what kind of wastewater your system will be treating?????  Is this domestic wastewater?

What treatment process are you proposing to use?  

What effluent limits will apply?  Where will the treated waste be discharged?  Would you want to recycle the effluent for some purpose?

Other than that, you can make the tanks as large or small as you like; and, as deep or shallow as you like.  But, in the real world, as George mentions, certain factors would guide you to reasonable dimensions.  In other words, nobody with a clue would propose a tank a mile in diameter and an inch deep.  Etcetera, etcetera...........
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Reply #6 - Jan 17th, 2012, 3:13pm
 
Dear Jeff Naumann

Hi!

Thanks for your kind response.

My question is maximum minimum allowable dimensions I do stress again on "ALLOWABLE".

Hope u got my point of view.

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Reply #7 - Jan 18th, 2012, 12:24am
 
I began thinking about this again and have concluded that the minimum surface area is not a practical way of sizing the tanks. The tank volumes are relatively large so that the limiting factor may be the depth of the tank. Once that has been determined, then the other dimensions are easier to determine; either square or circular. However, other considerations may also limit tank size. For example, many aeration tanks are rectangular and many final clarifiers are circular, so I believe that this is a impractical exercise for tanks as large as the ones in your posting. Anyway, I've tried, but I feel that I've wasted my time trying to solve an impractical problem.

Sorry,

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Reply #8 - Jan 18th, 2012, 4:30am
 
Dear M/s. JB/ gurrun/ Nauman J.

I was watching the discussions that all of u had. The efforts made by all of u are to be appreciated.

I feel that Mr. grrun need not feel sorry. Neither M/s. Nauman and JB are wrong.

I do think that Mr. JB did not put his question explicitly, rather his question gave a vague image but his query is interesting.

I feel that Mr. JB  wants to know about the design consideration and the allowable sizing limits of the reactors.

My explanation is as follows:

In the designing of any wastewater treatment unit the firs and foremost consideration is the most economical civil structure cost. I am considering civil structures because Mr. JB has mentioned huge plants,(I will come to the small plants later), moreover when you design any STP the available mechanical equipment also should be considered.

Coming to the point of STP design criteria and considerations, I have to say that as far as any STP unit is concerned, taken into consideration the points discussed in the above para, one has to address with utmost care the issues of turbulence, the approach velocity, the settling velocity, SLR, WLR, F/M ratio, MLSS, MLVSS etc.

Regarding the allowable Dimensions of the units is concerned appropriate dimensional ratios are mentioned any many text books that can be adhered to.

If Mr. JB is of the thought that he wants a single reactor for huge volumes it is not feasible economically. One can venture for such a thing at his own cost which is not advisable.

Possible good practices are for circular units a dia. of 100 m for example. Taking this as a yardstick rest can be decided. As far as the SWD limits are concerned again I wish to express that the points mentioned above have to be taken into account particularly the issue of turbulence in the settling units or any other unit where streamline laminar flow has to be taken care of. Similar is the case of approach velocity whuch has a great significance in designing of the units where it has to be properly taken care of failing which it may either result into erosion of the unit,  improper settling of the grit, settling of the food where it should not settle etc.

Hope that Mr. JB will get satisfied.

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Reply #9 - Jan 18th, 2012, 3:50pm
 
Hi all.

Thanks to all of u.

what mr.Salahuddin ahmed said is ok. i am thankful to all of u.

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