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Im baaaaaacccckkkkk!

Ok lets tackle this plant.  Still having unresolved issues.  

This is a 30,000/gpd package plant operating at 9000 gpd average.  Activated sludge.  Upflow clarifier.  Inf AVGs  200mgl BOD, 35mg/l NH3, 60 TKN, 6 total phos, 200 TSS.  We run, 9gpm through the plant, 120 gpm RAS(due to denitrification in clarifier standard 4.5times design flow or 46gpm.)  I have a Areation compartment  of 5473 gallons, Anoxic of 9859 gallons, and a clarifier of 3373 gallons.  I have another clarifier and aireation but is not used due to lower flows.  

D.O. stays at 2-3mg/l in AR and <0.20 in AX.  

Now why do I almost always have cake batter looking sludge on the clarifier surface?  Settleability is never observed as settling like a rock.  Manual says to let the MLSS run 1500 to 3500.  SO we run by MCRT calculating waste daily with a centrufuge of AR,AX,Clarifier core and RAS concentrations.

Typically we have had M.Parv, but recently we have had 0411 and S.Natans.

This area has only 100 customers.  Homeowners alone.  I have run samples on scum, core and whatnot for FOG.  The core of the clarifier has 170 mg/l of FOG.  Could that be my one and only issue or could there be more.  It is winter, sort of.......Water temp is below 10c.  

I would really like to find any solutions possible.  Years of fighting this plant and justifying myself over and over is getting old. Help me stop beating the dead horse and bury it.  I'm serving crow soon! Undecided
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Reply #1 - Feb 7th, 2012, 12:53pm
 
Hello, I run a plant that is setup real close to the one you describe. I don't do alot of testing there are no permit limits for the plant,  discharge is to drip irrigation. When I have sludge that floats it seems to always be related to sludge age. I do a simple sludge judge test in the clarifier if it is more than a third I i do a manual WAS to the digester, seems to work everytime. Hope this helps, keep it simple.

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Reply #2 - Feb 7th, 2012, 12:59pm
 
Hmmmm, mine is a single sludge system.  Runs in a loop from the clarifier to the AX zone to the AR back through the Clarifier.  MCRT of 30 days.  My clarifier is or always shoud be moving in the single sludge. If I waste it is to a holding tank for dewatering and disposal.  I could drop the MCRT to 25 days, that in turn drops my mlss down respectively.  They run hand in hand at this plant.
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Reply #3 - Feb 7th, 2012, 1:04pm
 
That's alot of FOG. My advice is to vacuum out the clarifier, landfill/ haul to another site as septage etc and eliminate that variable. (start over there).

You don't have much "buffering ability" so you're pretty much at the mercy of what comes into the plant. (you are what you eat). When there's high FOG you get M. Parvicella, right now (you didn't say your abundance of each filament) but S. Natans in high amounts suggests F/M too high for DO concentration and 0411 suggests too much organic acids/ fermentation if present in more than common abundance.

Is there any settling problems other than the scum layer on the clariifer? Small plants are much more challenging to run/ I've seen some really tiny ones where they get wiped out whenever there's a heavy rainfall. They have the bugs ready to go and need to re-seed all the time. Due to lack of money (town of like 2,000 people in some cases) I and I is a real nightmare for them.

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Reply #4 - Feb 7th, 2012, 7:10pm
 
SO we run by MCRT calculating waste daily with a centrufuge of AR,AX,Clarifier core and RAS concentrations. and The core of the clarifier has 170 mg/l of FOG.

I don't really understand how only the core of the clarifier has a high FOG. My thinking is that the RAS should have a high FOG also. If you are running a liquid-liquid extration on the core; there may be some analytical interferences causing this high value.

While I'm a proponent of centrifuging sludge samples for MCRT determinations; I think that you may be over controlling the system. Because the AX detention time is approximately twice the detention time of the AR; I would look at the AX to see if denitrification is floating the sludge there as well. Anyway, my conclusion is that your sludge is too old.

Have you checked to determine if the WAS varies much in MLSS concentration throughout the day? This could be a problem with WAS and MCRT determination. Personally, I would try using only the (WAS)MLSSs/(AR)MLSSs and ignore the other MLSSs to estimate MCRT and I would lower the MCRT until the sludge begins to settle better even if the AR MLSSs drop. Remember, you are only running at 1/3 design rate.

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Reply #5 - Feb 8th, 2012, 8:51am
 
Just received my FOG samples today.

Clairifier Core Sample 150 mg/l
Clarifier Scum 9550 mg/kg-dry?
Main WetWell Core Sample 690 mg/l
Main Wetwell 24hr sample 26 mg/l

Reminder 100 customers, 3 wetwells, ~9000gpd avg.  

Any thoughts are welcome.   Shocked
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Reply #6 - Feb 8th, 2012, 10:35am
 
anything over 100 mg/L is considered high and will generally cause bulking and foaming problems. The best bet is to try to control at the source. I respectfully disagree that sludge age is the root cause of this problem but it is always an important parameter to look at.

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Reply #7 - Feb 8th, 2012, 11:30am
 
It has been difficult.  The very numbers we utilize and parameters and indicators are askew, i believe, due to the FOG content. M.Parv,0411,S.Natans was strange for this plant.  M.Parv is typical but not the other two. They are new to my process this year. I assume the diluted settleometer test is a good indicator for sludge age, but how much of that is also bunk because of the filaments and FOG?  I just cannot get good settleable sludge it seems. Great treatment BOD and NH3 are almost always non detect just not any settleability and clear effluent.

M.Parv I have to live with as long as I have FOG.  I can control F/M but not the cold or the FOG in the plant.  Almost perfect M.Parv factory if I am not careful.
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Reply #8 - Feb 9th, 2012, 9:35am
 
I would then go and control my F/M by realizing that I am at one third design capacity on the flow.  You need to recalculate your MLSS targets, RAS return rate targets, and the WAS rate targets.  I would reduce the MCRT first and then the RAS rate back closer to the 41 gpm it is designed for.  

I would also try to figure out where the oil & grease is coming from and do community outreach to reduce it.  I am assuming that you do not have any primary clarification where the grease can be skimmed off.  Your MLSS could very well need to be between 450-1050 mg/l at the daily flow you currently have.  Be patient and good luck!

~Eric   Undecided  Winter is coming back to Virginia this weekend!  Bad timing.
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Reply #9 - Feb 9th, 2012, 1:17pm
 
Everything is making sence from one extent to the other.  FOG is the issue at hand, and MCRT likely will be dropped a bit.  I can't see treatment down lower than 1000mg/l mlss.  We fluctuate too much to handle everything down there.  Startup last May we had 1200 mlss and had treatment.  But that wasn't winter it was May.  I can see Centriguge MLSS isn't helping the "standard" numbers.  It runs higher than actual lab tests.  So we may need to even be down to 20 Days MCRT "by centrifuge."  We just started centrifuge methods last Fall.  Getting a good handle on it using Tim Hobsons book on Activated Sludge.
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Reply #10 - Feb 9th, 2012, 4:02pm
 
If S. Natans is the root cause of the poor settling then increasing wasting is the OPPOSITE of what you should do. S. Natans in large abundance indicates low DO for the applied F/M. Lower the F/M (increase sludge age) and increase the DO. It is essential though that you know for sure what filament you're dealing with/ what's predominant ect. Please note this advice is only based on the identifications you provided.

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Reply #11 - Feb 10th, 2012, 8:28am
 
I agree that from summer to winter your MLSS values will change.  Winter time metabolism will slow down as water temps decrease so increase MLSS values to account for this but then reduce them as warm weather returns.  

The filament issue probably is solvable through eliminating/reducing the grease.  Check for filamentous before altering the MCRT or anything else, if not present in significant amounts then proceed to make process changes and monitor.  Good luck!

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Reply #12 - Feb 13th, 2012, 10:18pm
 
How are you coming with the settling tests?

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Reply #13 - Feb 14th, 2012, 2:25pm
 
Working toward the MCRT 25 by centrifuge.  Blowinf out the clarifier, AR,AX with air daily for agitation.  Alot of junk coming to the surface of the clarifier.  Pretty snotty and thick.  I hope to get to a point it won't be necessary but once a week or less once I have removed all the old snotty thick crap that has accumulated.  Settleometer has come around, actually rising within 2 hours.  Half hour down to 600.  I am sending out slides for analysis today.  Then we are starting the HG product from Bio-Systems to help with te FOG. We plan on using it till April or when the temperatures are better.  Maybe we have to augment for the colder weather to limp us along.  RAS is even getting better.  I test it in a 1000ml graduated cyl. in a half hour it is at 700.  over that I would turn up the ras below 200 I would turn it down. Normally.  Right now I have to get the plant cleared out from the FOG saturation.
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Reply #14 - Feb 14th, 2012, 3:47pm
 
Good idea with the FOG degraders- just make sure you're getting the bugs, not the enzymes. It's too bad they don't outcompete M. Parvicella so I'd do this in the collection system.

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Reply #15 - Feb 14th, 2012, 3:47pm
 
Good idea with the FOG degraders- just make sure you're getting the bugs, not the enzymes. It's too bad they don't outcompete M. Parvicella so I'd do this in the collection system.

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Reply #16 - Feb 15th, 2012, 2:28pm
 
Detension time in the clarifier is more like 6 hours and the sludge rises in 2 hours which indicates that you haven't achieved a good sludge age yet. However, it does show that you're going in the right direction!

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Reply #17 - Mar 9th, 2012, 1:24pm
 
We are now at MCRT of 20 Days.  Still getting treatment.  Calculated by centrifuge SLU.  Still have cake batter on the clarifier daily, seems to be thinning. I feel like I am wasting an awful lot for theis little plant to be at mcrt 20.  I cant complain too much though my reductions are 98% steadily.  Just cleaning up scum daily is annoying.  My last microscopic stains came back with 0411.  I cant imagine it will be too difficult for me to deal with it by running a lower mcrt and monitoring DO in the AR tank to 1.0mg/l.  Should take care of it.  Unfortunately it looks as though it likes the FOG we have available.
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Reply #18 - Mar 9th, 2012, 1:52pm
 
Consider that having 1 mg/L DO going into the clarifier will reduce the time that is required before denitrification becomes a problem. Closely monitor the settling tests.

It is difficult to collect influent composite samples for FOG. I would try to measure FOG in the MLSS samples to determine if the influent is getting an increasing, decreasing, or steady concentration of FOG.

Do you observe any oil or sludge floating in the centrifuged samples?

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Reply #19 - Mar 9th, 2012, 3:08pm
 
Oh yeah.  There is a thin sheen and there is plenty of white shunks scattered throughout core samples.   There is just noplace for FOG to go in this plant.  Assimilate or accumulate.  Sulfides are an issue too.  I just ordered reagent to check sulfides in the collection system to the surge tank.  

Settleing teste are in line for this plant.  Could settle a bit better in the first 5 minutes.  I hope to get rid of the 0411 then bring the plant back to where there i a euphoric feeling of accomplishmnet......lol
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