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Feb 15th, 2012, 2:37am
 
Hi Everybody!

The BIG QUESTION  Smiley

The plant  shall operate at rate of 14 hours per day working, which means capacity of water purification system shall be 15m3/hr. Keeping future scope for expansion, it is decided to set up 15m3/hr. water purification plant expandable to 20m3/hr.

The primary Source of water from the Dam lake and in case of emergency groundwater will also be used.
The result of water analysis report attached here for your reference.
Dam water sample test report:
Parameter                        Sample       Limit          Units
PHYSIO-CHEMICAL
Turbidity                            17.00         2.00          NTU
Silica                                 13.19        Not Spfd.    mg/lit as SiO2
Total Dissolved Solids          230.00       500           mg/lit
Total Suspended Solids        4.00          Not Spfd.    mg/lit
Iron                                   0.23          0.1            mg/lit as Fe
MICROBIOLOGICAL:
Viable Plate Counts-@ 37C   3300         <20           c.f.u./ml
Viable Plate Counts-@ 27C   4500         <100         c.f.u./ml
Coliform Bacteria                Present      Absent       /250 ml
E Coli                                 Present      Absent       /250 ml
Pseudomonas aeruginosa     Present      Absent       /250 ml
Faecal Streptococci              Present      Absent       /250 ml
Vibrio Cholerae                   Present      Absent       /250 ml
Sulphates Reducing Bacteria  Present    Absent        /250 ml
Yeast and Mould Count         Present      Absent       /250 ml

Remarks: Water Sample is Non Potable
Also, the Bore Well water was found Confirming to the reqmnts.

BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCES WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST POSSIBLE PRE-TREATMENT AND THE CHEMICAL DOSING LEVEL???

The outlet water of clarifier shall be feed in Prefilters (ACF+PSF+Softner) +UF+RO+UV+Ozonation systems
(tentative scheme) and final product shall be used for package drinking water.


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Reply #1 - Feb 15th, 2012, 9:46am
 
First, biofilm will be an issue -and not sure why you would RO and UV. Pretreatment would be oxidation and then followed by UF filtration. Your not noting Giardia or Crypto - so inactivation of vibrio, coliform, and fungal spores will occur via oxidation and prevent biofouling of the UF membrane. Electrolytic oxidation process and UF can be set to operate automatically and not require chemical treatments. So your operational costs are much less. Any fungal oospores that might get past electrolytic oxidation would be captured by the UF filter. Treated water would require storage in closed tank to prevent recontamination from airborne pathogens/microbes. Long term storage may require small oxidation unit on recirculation mode off the storage tank. But not ozone or UV.
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Reply #2 - Feb 15th, 2012, 11:46am
 
What is wrong with using UV + Ozone for disinfection?
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Reply #3 - Feb 15th, 2012, 12:51pm
 
Lot of pathogens (microbial) are not killed/inactivated by UV - it stuns them but they revive within 12-24hrs. This is widely being found with MRSA (Staph) and some other strains. Ozone is not very good on cysts/oospores without long contact times (2hrs+). Additional issues are tthe ntu can be problematic for the UV - thus the statement about a clarifier. Why use a clarifier ifyou can kill the pathogens up front and remover turbidity and TSS post inactivation via UF? Simpler and easier that way.
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Reply #4 - Feb 15th, 2012, 12:59pm
 
From what I've seen UV is effective at de-activating pathogens and most viruses (Adeno virus is resistant but can be treated with high-dose UV).

I've never heard of them "waking up" and UV is recognized all over the globe as a suitable disinfection technology.

Please note I work for UV Pure Technologies so I do have a bias opinion.

Opinions aside, I'd be very interested in reading any references you have to back up your statements.

Please also note that I'm not trying to discredit your response. Just, as an Engineer, I prefer to always check reference material.

Our UV techonlogy is advantaged and has won many awards but I pride myself on staying informed about technologies and their effectiveness and like to read findings (regardless of whether they are pro-UV or not).

Thanks in advance for the info!  Smiley
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Reply #5 - Feb 15th, 2012, 11:56pm
 
I won't try and attach all the research because they are lengthy files - some over 164 pages- simple Google search on MRSA, Mycobacterium and UV reistance, plus CDC and WHO websites on staphlyococcus and Mycobacterium, and now Streptococcus on not being inactivated via UV - noting that real time analysis should not be used - that real analysis requires 2-4 days after exposure to determine if bugs are actually inactive. There are a lot of different papers on this mostly on the medical-related and food related websites.

There is also a lot of movement within the aquaculture community overseas on UV lacking consistent inactivation ability - even with good filtration/very low turbidity.

It appears to be a time of exposure issue - and then what stage the bacterium is in. In the food industry - there are seveal fungal pollutants (not pathogenic - just corrupt the juice) that are resistant to UV and causing substantail losses in the juice industry - notably apple, pear, and grape.
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Reply #6 - Feb 16th, 2012, 12:03am
 
Let's try again - the documents/whitepapers are lengthy - some upwards of 64 to 165 pages. A simple "MRSA UV Resistence or Mycobacterium UV Resistance" search on Google and Indeed search engines will turn up a lot of papers. The CDC and WHO sites also have various papers on the increasing resistance to UV exposure by various microbial and fungal pathogens. Some of the food industry websites - especially juice (apple, pear, grape) have whitepapers available - primarily those in UK (for whatever reason) over the US.

Saltwater and freshwater aquaculture forums are also noting resistance and looking for alternatives - especially in Asian market due to focus on shrimp.

Appears from most of the whitepapers it's a time of exposure issue  - water flow needs to be reduced significantly or more lamps in series used. However, for fungal and some pathogens that are cyst/oospore producers the UV is virtually useless. Same for freshwater zebra mussel zeliger.
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Reply #7 - Feb 16th, 2012, 11:09am
 
Ok - not even addressing the various water-borne parasites that are UV resistant - here are a couple sites to look at. The issue always comes down to what are you trying to inactivate; what level of prefiltration are you using; what is the water's pH and temperature; and what is the level of UV exposure your providing - because different bacteria, viruses, fungi, etc react differently.

Final Report: Effectiveness of UV Irradiation for Pathogen Inactivation in Surface Waters
EPA Grant Number: R829012
Title: Effectiveness of UV Irradiation for Pathogen Inactivation in Surface Waters
Investigators: Linden, Karl G. , Sobsey, Mark D.
Institution:Duke University , University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
EPA Project Officer: Page, Angela
Project Period: August 20, 2001 through August 19, 2004 (Extended to August 19, 2005)
Project Amount: $524,848
RFA:Drinking Water (2000)
Research Category:Drinking Water

Read report at: http://cfpub.epa.gov/ncer_abstracts/index.cfm/fuseaction/display.abstractDetail/abstract/1128/report/F

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     Appl Environ Microbiol. 2009 May; 75(9): 2987–2990.
Published online 2009 March 6. doi: 10.1128/AEM.02180-08
PMCID: PMC2681683
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UV Light Inactivation of Bacterial Biothreat Agents  
L. J. Rose* and H. O'Connell

Abstract: Seven species of bacterial biothreat agents were tested for susceptibility to UV light (254 nm). All gram-negative organisms tested required <12 mJ/cm2 for a 4-log10 reduction in viability (inactivation). Tailing off of the B. anthracis spore inactivation curves began close to the 2-log10 inactivation point, with a fluence of approximately 40 mJ/cm2, and 3-log10 inactivation still was not achieved with a fluence of 120 mJ/cm2.
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Reply #8 - Feb 16th, 2012, 3:09pm
 
Thank you! I appreciate the information. I am aware that UV has limited effectiveness when dealing with surface waters. I am also well aware that conventional UV systems struggle greatly. If you care to look into our system (UV Pure Halletts and Upstreams) we've done a pretty good job of achieving very effective disinfection although we often use units in series or reduce flow to achieve higher contact times and can deliver a dose above 100 mJ/cm2.

I agree that UV is not the always the most robust of technologies (as it is generally effective as secondary or tertiary treatment but not as primary). That being said it is the best technology for niche areas (or at least in my experience).

I apologize for high-jacking the thread but I like to keep myself well informed and it'd be foolish not to ask questions with a competent source of information such as yourself.

Thanks again for the info!
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Reply #9 - Feb 16th, 2012, 7:57pm
 
Hey - no problem! Everything has it's peculiarities (sp?). I look at the original topic question and see "Mumbia". So - it's not like there is a hardware store or UV distributor locally; or consistent power; etc. Not disparaging Mumbia - it's just the local will be severly rural and the package plant has to be virtually self-sufficient because there are no local technicians or support services. Additionally, I have real problem with lab analysis that is generic - not specific with list of all the pathogens that are present - which can really impact the wants/warrants of any treatment system. So "over kill" has to be designed into a system, and the initial thread on the treatment regime was problematic and frankly, did not make sense - since not inactivating the microbial pathogens up front would simply render the UF, nano and/or RO inoperable because of biofouling. Plus - where does that concentrated pathogenic load go when the UF, nano or RO backflushes? Kill it first and then don't worry about it. Knew the ntu would cause problems for the UV. So -even if UV accepted - still have to filter up front and you have biofouling problem again....As final "polish" after UF - sure, UV should be 99.9% effective with proper lamp and exposure time.
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Reply #10 - Feb 16th, 2012, 9:19pm
 
@ Aquaticconsult...thanks for the explanation in detail.....and @ mark too .....healthy discussions like these help in updating one self and understand technologies better with an ultimate aim to achieve

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Reply #11 - Feb 17th, 2012, 6:26am
 
@ aquaticonsultants, Thanks Sir for your invaluable inputs/suggestions. It was great on your part to share your insightful knowledge and experience.

Apart from reduced Installation/Operation and Maintanence cost, the Turbidity and TSS are too low to use a clarifier. Isn’t it?
Your point to use electrolytic oxidation followed by UF indeed holds good and logical. Can you pl elaborate on Electrolytic Oxidation Process, Its pro and cons OR pl suggest some reliable websites/references to gain details.

@Mark, Welcome to this great site buddy!!

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Reply #12 - Feb 17th, 2012, 8:25am
 
@ everyone. Thanks for the warm welcome. Water is the industry of life and our future. The more we have open discussions and dialogue the better we are all off in the long run. Thanks for welcoming me to the board as well. I think there is an excellent knowledge base here and it's a great learning opportunity for myself.

Thanks again everyone.
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