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Can you have high ammonia but low BOD?
Apr 28th, 2012, 6:25am
 
Hi, the site I work at is a Bio Tower trickling filter with 2 stages of filtration and 3 stages  of settlement. The flow comes into 2 Primary tanks for settlement and is them pumped up to 2 thirds of the Bio Tower then has further settlement in 2 Intermediate settlement tanks before being pumped to one third of the bio tower and then finally settlement in 2 final settlement tanks.
The site treats @10000m3 per day and has a combination of domestic, septic tankers, and industrial food processing waste coming in at its inlet plus also return liquors from the Sludge dewatering filter press plant.
The site has no ammonia consent but has BOD 60mg/l and Total Suspended Solids 120 mg/las a discharge consent. Although we have no ammonia consent we have an action limit of 25mg/l but really struggle to keep below this and a normal value is between 30mg/l and 40 mg/l for the ammonia levels. We have been ok with the BOD results resulting in an average of @30mg/l for this with the odd occasion around 40mg/l.
The BOD at the inlet varies daily from 300mg/l to over 1000mg/l and also the return liquors from the filter presses add even more loadings on the works too.
Is it essential for this type of works to be concerned with ammonia levels considering we have no consent limit or will this effect the BOD results? If so what is required to help the situation?
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Re: Can you have high ammonia but low BOD?
Reply #1 - Apr 28th, 2012, 10:55am
 
you can have high ammonia with low BOD. It depends on if nitrification is happening or not. The nitrifying bacteria are autotrophic while the BOD removers are heterotrophic. Heterotrophic bacteria eat organic carbon while autotrophs eat inorganic carbon.

If you want more nitrification you'll likely need to increase BOD removal first. Nitrification usually won't happen until most of the BOD is gone. You'll also need enough dissolved oxygen to keep the conditions in the trickling filters aerobic. Assuming there's enough dissolved oxygen if you want to increase BOD removal you'd probably need to find a way to enhance primary settlement or possibly step feed some of the waste two the second part of the trickling filter right away.

I'm not sure why you have an action limit on ammonia if there's no permit for it. It sounds like all is well for you.

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Reply #2 - Apr 28th, 2012, 2:09pm
 
You might also compare CBOD results with your BOD results to determine if ammonia is interferring with the BOD analysis. I would expect that CBOD might be required if you have no ammonia limits.

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Reply #3 - Apr 30th, 2012, 3:33am
 
If you have no ammonia consent then it is not essential to be concerned about ammonia values. Is the action level at 25 mg/l an internal (why do you have the value? What do you have to do when this is breached) or external (you do have a consent. What does your regulator expect you to do when this value is exceeded) requirement? Where do you discharge? If freshwater, what is the fish life like? (If poor, and you are charged on your discharges, you may wish to discuss with your regulator a reduction in charges in return for a committment to improving effluent quality - but do the cost analysis before you talk to the regulator.)

With filters you have restricted options to enhance performance. You could look at replacing the media with more modern, higher-surface, media, to provide a greater biofilm surface - but initially performance will fall off, while the new media gets populated.

You could look at recirculating final effluent if the media is not fully wetted - various guidelines on wetting rates available in the literature for different kinds of media. I can't remember what are the suggested wetting rates, but Metcalfe & Eddy might have these look-up tables.

If using forced aeration you could look at DO profiles and increasing the blower settings if the DO drops below 1.5 mg/l for a large aprt of the biotower.

You could look at adding a dedicated nitrifying activated sludge tank between the two biotowers, or after the final biotower.
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Re: Can you have high ammonia but low BOD?
Reply #4 - Apr 30th, 2012, 10:13am
 
Hi Budgie
Are you in a position to increase recirculation from the clarifiers to the Bio-Towers?
It might help with the nitrification process.
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Reply #5 - Apr 30th, 2012, 10:19am
 
Remember too that nitrification is going to take up a significant oxygen demand and this needs to be accounted for if this is something you want to accomplish.

Personally I agree fully with Bendle Boy, I think life is good and no worries. (time for some fishing!) It would be intersteing to find out how much of your BOD is CBOD and soluble CBOD and how much of it is from nitrification in the BOD test. It's very possible you might be getting good CBOD removal already.

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Re: Can you have high ammonia but low BOD?
Reply #6 - Apr 30th, 2012, 11:07am
 
Although there is no limit for Ammonia in the discharge, we must not forget that there is an "action limit of 25mg/l" and that they "really struggle to keep below this".
It appears therefore that there may be a need to take some "action" to get below the "action limit".
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Re: Can you have high ammonia but low BOD?
Reply #7 - Apr 30th, 2012, 12:01pm
 
I'm unsure that that this would work; but I would slightly decrease wasting. The decrease in wasting may increase the population of nitrifiers which would bring the ammonia concentration down without materially affecting BOD removal if adequate DO is maintained. I think that you would have to monitor DO, the effluent parameters, and sv 30 results closely. Anyway, this is my reasoning.

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Reply #8 - Apr 30th, 2012, 1:38pm
 
This is a trickling filter. the amount of biomass is limited to what will grow on the media.

I agree with Tom in the fact that you should look into this action limit. Who set it? and why?

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Re: Can you have high ammonia but low BOD?
Reply #9 - Apr 30th, 2012, 2:17pm
 
All biomass shed from the bio-tower is removed from the system and no "sludge" is recirculated. However I do believe that recirculation of some of the settled liquid from the clarifiers could improve Nitrification.
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Reply #10 - May 2nd, 2012, 7:14am
 
The site could have recirculation on its second stage of the trickling filter which it has not got at the moment which would obviously help a little but the main problem is the strength of the return liquors from the Sludge Treatment Center and also the very strong trade effluent.
I have spoken to our on site scientist and he has agreed the ammonia action limit can be increased to 40mg/l.
I guess the only other option is to extend to surface area of the first stage of the filter so more bacteria can grow to treat the stronger inflent am I right?
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Reply #11 - May 2nd, 2012, 7:17am
 
On another note would having the filter being made into just one stage and use what is at the moment the second stage part of the 1st stage and then increase primary settlement from 2 tanks into 4 make more of a difference? and then take out the middle stage of settlement.
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Reply #12 - May 2nd, 2012, 12:48pm
 
What's your effluent soluble COD or BOD and CBOD/ soluble CBOD? What is the effluent alkalinity and pH? What's the temperature of this wastewater?

It's tough to answer your question. If you have settleable solids leaving the primary clarifier more retention time may possibly help to reduce the loading on the trickling filters. If this is soluble food, then more media (more bugs)/ recirculation may be needed. This is assuming you aren't getting good cBOD removal right now- which we don't know.
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Reply #13 - May 3rd, 2012, 5:28am
 
the BOD COD removal is anywhere between 80 - 95% depending on the strength on the incoming trade effluent, Effluent temp is always in the mid teens. I have measured the PH of the sludge and that is quite acidic but never done the incoming flows.
I take it for effective BOD removal it is the filter that is key for this am I right?
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Reply #14 - May 3rd, 2012, 6:44am
 
You may need to supplement the alkalinity, particularly if, as you say the pH is "quite acidic".
Then maybe you should consider the recirculation on tower 2.
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Reply #15 - May 9th, 2012, 4:53am
 
we have a lime plant installed to dose lime powder into the liquid sludge to raise the ph to between 9 and 10, the hope was that the return liquors from the filter presses and dewatering the sludge tanks would help raise the ph levels on the incoming sewage from the town thus helping the sie generally.
I was told though that lime can possible increase ammonia too is this correct?
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Reply #16 - May 9th, 2012, 5:26am
 
Lime is unlikely to increase the ammonia in the effluent, (unless of course it is contaminated).
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Reply #17 - May 9th, 2012, 3:21pm
 
May have been mentioned by the others but if not, Have your scientific people check on alkalinity as well, if you don't have the buffering capacity, the nitrifiers won't work.

Man I wish I had a works without an ammonia consent... Smiley
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Re: Can you have high ammonia but low BOD?
Reply #18 - May 9th, 2012, 11:01pm
 
Yes!
You can have a high ammponia and low BOD if your reactor SRT is less than 3 days; or there is a nitrification inhibitant existing; or pH is out of the range; or water temperature is out of the range; or reactor HRT is not long enough etc.  Cheesy
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