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SBR for COD of 15,000 mg/l ..what is the VSS ??
May 01st, 2012, 7:10pm
 
hi all,

I would like to treat a wastewater of 15,000 mg/l COD in SBR plant..what should be the value of Volatile Suspended Solids ??

I understand that vss = microorganisms
so as much as vss increase the degradation will increase ?
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Reply #1 - May 1st, 2012, 8:26pm
 
This is a very high strength waste and may be difficult to treat in an SBR. What type of waste? What is the volume you're dealing with? Is this an existing plant?

There's not a magic number for the MLVSS. You want to find a concentration that meets your maximum F/M ratio (in municipalities you can base this on the average F/M).

I would be sure there's enough nutrients and run some respirometry on this first. (make sure there's nothing inhibitory present). I would fed based on the oxygen uptake rate and try to keep this under 55 mg/L/hr or so. (where I usually notice dispersed growth)

What's the BOD? Assuming most of this is biodegradeable a pre-treatment step would be ideal.

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Reply #2 - May 2nd, 2012, 3:27am
 
I already done laboratory test for one month to be sure sure that there is no inhibitor..
it is not existing plant..we are going to build new one..for 3000 m3/day

but i already have existing SBR plant for other type of waste..

my question is : if the VSS increases , the degradation also increases ?
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Re: SBR for COD of 15,000 mg/l ..what is the VSS ??
Reply #3 - May 2nd, 2012, 1:57pm
 
COD may not be the only parameter of concern for compliance. Sludge age is important for determining treatment requirements and somewhat for MLVSSs. Because you have also run a pilot SBR, you should have measured the WAS for satisfactory operation. My opinion is that the pilot data should be more reliable than conventional textbook estimates.

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Reply #4 - May 2nd, 2012, 4:50pm
 
Have you done some anaerobic studies?  For 3000 cu m/d at 15000 mg/l COD, that is 45 tonnes/d of COD.  Unless there is some reason this is not suitable for anaerobic, you should do it.  Otherwise, you are wasting energy and your money.

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Reply #5 - May 2nd, 2012, 5:01pm
 
Thanks all,

but i am not asking about the sludge age or the way of treatment..i am only asking about the VSS...if i worked with VSS of 10g/l or 20g/l or even more , this will increase the degradation rate or not ?
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Re: SBR for COD of 15,000 mg/l ..what is the VSS ??
Reply #6 - May 2nd, 2012, 8:33pm
 
It depends! VSSs and MLSSs are not a monoculture, but a diverse population of micro organisms in an activated sludge system. Therefore, if you try to increase the MLSSs by reducing the WAS, you'll shift the population distribution of the microorganisms to the point that most of the DO will be used for cell lyses rather than COD oxidation. Carried to an extreme, the sludge will become anaerobic. This is why sludge age is an important consideration with respect to MLSS concentration. It is not necessarily a case of more being better; but a combination of factors that are used to determine MLVSS.

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Reply #7 - May 3rd, 2012, 4:21am
 
Dear Grrun,

Thanks for clarification.

you mean that the problem of MLVSS increasing is the lake of DO..thats mean if i still have excess oxgen it is better to increase the MLVSS as much as i could ?
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Reply #8 - May 3rd, 2012, 5:28am
 
Hi Ihabilli,

the MLSS-concentration to apply is mainly determined by the settling characteristics; the better the sludge settles, the higher the MLSS you can apply. problem is; today you do not know (can not know) the settleability, so you have to assume something realistic. for industrial SBR's that would be something between 4 - 6 g MLSS/L. You also can play a bit with the settling time (prior to decantation), but that parameter also is limited.

The sludge age should also be choosen depending on the type of COD, Industry type and other compositions. The respirometric results also are important in this choice.

Why SBR? I can imagine that convential activated sludge can perform also well.

besides that, I agree with Peter McCarthy: this is a lot of COD to treat, if possible try anaerobic pretreatment, at least have the anaerobic treatability lab tested!

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Re: SBR for COD of 15,000 mg/l ..what is the VSS ??
Reply #9 - May 9th, 2012, 11:25pm
 
Your SBR MLSS and MLVSS has no relationship to the feed COD. SBR MLSS conc. is controlled by the biomass settleability and WAS. As DS suggested, SBR MLSS should be 3-6 g/L. High MLSS will encourage a settle problem and SS wash out.

High feed COD will need a big SBR tank and more initial dilution, via less % fill at each cycle.
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Reply #10 - May 10th, 2012, 2:07am
 
I am working now with a small pilot column with MLSS 18 g/l and the settling is very good.. but i am working with high saline water may be this is the reason of good seattability.
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Re: SBR for COD of 15,000 mg/l ..what is the VSS ??
Reply #11 - May 10th, 2012, 3:54am
 
It is unlikely that the high saline water is the reason that the sludge is settling well, in fact I would expect the opposite to be the case.
Others have suggested that you consider anaerobic digestion for this high COD load so that you can recover some energy, and I believe that this suggestion should be given serious consideration.
With regard to selecting the MLVSS concentration as a basic design parameter, I think that this may not be a wise decision. Many aspects of the incoming wastewater, and the emission limit values need to be considered when making the final design choices, and included in the considerations should also be capital and running costs for the process when complete.

I fear that your focus may be too narrow in this case and it could be beneficial for the process and the client to broaden this focus. (This is not intended as a criticism, but is intended as advice that could be helpful).
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