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May 04th, 2012, 3:57am
 
Anyone here has experience with ultrasonic defoaming? We got foaming issues, in our production proces, and we add surfactents to stimulate foaming (deinking process, flotatation) in one part of our proces. And this is giving problems in another water collection tank, adding anti-foam agents isnt an option cause the water gets reused to dilute the deinking (flotation process) so adding anti-foam would basicly kill our deinking proces.

Now its a 40m3 tank, the tank is usually filled till 20m3 max 25m3 but the foam is flowing out of the top of the tank.

Now im wondering if anyone here has experience with ultrasonic defoaming and maybe an indication of the price of such device for such a tank.

Thank already for any information given.
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Re: Ultrasonic defoaming
Reply #1 - May 4th, 2012, 10:53am
 
I've had experience with US degassing and I suspect that US defoaming might also occur. However, I believe that a US radiation device for 20-25 m3 would be cost prohibitive. Have you tried water sprays to break up the foam? Trying a small US cleaning tank to defoam your water would provide the information needed for scale-up if it should work.

I wonder if you might reduce the quantity of foam by reducing the air entrainment in the process where ever possible so that foam is not generated. After all, air is the major component in foam.

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Reply #2 - May 7th, 2012, 1:44am
 
Thanks for the information Grunn,

We have water sprays in those tank but they cant handle the amount of foam very well. The principle of the ultrasonic defoaming is that you focus on a small area wich foam is being destroyed and other foam collapses into this hole, so you would only need to treat a rather small area. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O1CXZrPf_w at 1min40 you can see the idea).

The possible cause of all the air entrapment might be the flow and speed the water gets into the tank. We are looking for ways for the water to get into the tank by changing pipe work.
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Reply #3 - May 7th, 2012, 2:32pm
 
Don't forget the possibility of the pump sucking air. I looked at the video and would request a demonstration of the unit before buying if it is expensive. If it is not expensice, I would take a flyer and purchase one for the relief of a serious problem.

You may want to check with your EHS department to be sure that exposure to the US radiation requires any sort of protection.

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Reply #4 - May 8th, 2012, 4:59am
 
Maybe you should be looking back at the deinking process to see if the use of surfactant in that process can be eliminated or reduced?
Maybe increase temperature or pressure in the deinking area?
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Reply #5 - May 9th, 2012, 2:30am
 
thank you for the information, i contacted a company expertised in ultrasone devices. Wonder if degassing the water streams to the tank would help, although this would create more foam at first it might be mechanical destroyed by the free fall into the tank.

If this brings anything helpfull ill post it here.
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Reply #6 - May 9th, 2012, 3:10am
 
I expect that if there is still a surface active agent in the water stream then any "fall" or turbulence is likely to give rise to foaming.
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Reply #7 - May 9th, 2012, 7:15am
 
If it didn't foam over in the old smaller tank you used to use, and the only thing that changed was adding a higher volume/ it may be worth using the old tank and if a larger volume is needed getting two smaller tanks not filled as high.

That's the only real variable that I changed based on your description. It may be worth a shot/ if that's what worked before I'd give it a try before making big investments.
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