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May 30th, 2012, 6:17am
 
Hello,

I have a problem about the rising sludge at the clarifier. The sludge rises mostly at the centre of the clarifier and it is like a 1 mm spherical sludge which start to hold each other after rising and accumulates at the clarifier surface.

The plant is domestic waste water plant which requires nitrification + denitrification.

Concentration are similar to domestic wastewater plant. The aeration tanks are carrousel which have apx. 4500 mg/lt MLSS. SRT is 14-19 most of the time.

Because of diffusers are placed all over the aeration tank i try to manage denitrification with 2 hours aerated 2 hour non aerated. I try to keep the oxygen at 1.5-2 mg/lt at the aeration period. Operation is continuous (not SBR)

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COD -   120 mg/lt ; Filtered COD = 43 mg/lt
SS -  94 mg/lt;
NH4-N - 0.7 mg/lt;
No3 - 0.45 mg/lt.

As you can see above the problem is the rising of small flocs that increases SS and COD.

The SVI is very high 220. But microscobic examination no filamentous growth seen.

I want to get your suggestions what is the problem and what to check.

Thank you
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Reply #1 - May 30th, 2012, 6:30am
 
Here is some photos and video

http://i47.tinypic.com/105wo75.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/250tsgl.jpg
http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=soc0g7&s=6
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Reply #2 - May 30th, 2012, 6:52am
 
Im hoping for some clearance about that also Smiley...I have quite similar problem..but not so much as u have....Had worse but took the SV down from 800ml/l to 490ml/l and now i dont get that so intesively.
Still have a SS problem tho.. MLSS here was 4800mg/l...SRT im trying to calculate...which i have problems with.
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Reply #3 - May 30th, 2012, 8:50am
 
frenz- you need a microscopic analysis of the MLSS and the sludge floating in the clarifier. This will determine why your SVI is high and also if this floating sludge is due to denitrification or something else.

With an SVI of 220 there's something funny going on and this should be investigated microscopically. What's the nitrate in the filtered MLSS before entering the clarifier? If this is high then you're probably denitrifying in the clarifier.

If so you need to remove one of three variables: soluble COD, nitrate, no/ low DO in clariifer. Also note that with a bulking sludge it doesn't take nearly as much nitrate to float- if the flocs are more diffuse the nitrogen gas bubbles float them up very easily.

Perhaps DS can be of some help. (contact him- he's on the top of the page and probalby the closest by for a sample)

In the meantime it doesn't hurt to try increasing the RAS rate or increasing the air prior to the clarifier to try to keep the clarifier aerobic.

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Reply #4 - May 30th, 2012, 9:07am
 
Ryan,

With microscobic examination i dont see any filamentous growth.

The nitrate entering to the clarifiers varies between 0.4--3 mg/lt.

I would be gladful if you watch the video and could tell which problem it looks like?

"Perhaps DS can be of some help?" I cannot see at the top of the page. Could you give more details ?

Thank you so much for your attention.

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Reply #5 - May 30th, 2012, 12:32pm
 
In the meantime it doesn't hurt to try increasing the RAS rate or increasing the air prior to the clarifier to try to keep the clarifier aerobic.

-hard to see on my computer, but looks like denitrification to me.

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Reply #6 - May 30th, 2012, 1:27pm
 
Hi frenz,

Ryan has given some good advice already. If you want, you can send me a small sample (some 20-15 mL AS in a water tight container of 50 mL, + a separate sample of the foam: "a teaspon full" in another water tight container) and I'll give it a good microscopic screening and see what the causality is/may be.
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Re: Sludge rising at the final clarifier
Reply #7 - May 30th, 2012, 3:07pm
 
I would check the retention time in the clarifiers and also effluent NH3. If  nitrificiation is completed and now denitrificiation takes place, I would increase the RAS ratio to decrease the retention time in the clarifiers.
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Reply #8 - May 30th, 2012, 3:14pm
 
Ryan and Srknk,

I have already increase the RAS ratio to 1. (Qr/Q). I can not go above becuase of the pumps capacity. I operate the plant 2 hour aerobic and 2 hours anoxic to achieve nitrification + denitrification.

NH3 is below 2 mg/lt and Nitrate is vaires 1-4 mg/lt. (The samples taken before entering to the clarifiers and filtered.)


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Thank you for your interest i send you a pm.


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Re: Sludge rising at the final clarifier
Reply #9 - May 30th, 2012, 3:51pm
 
frenz wrote on May 30th, 2012, 3:14pm:
Ryan and Srknk,

I have already increase the RAS ratio to 1. (Qr/Q). I can not go above becuase of the pumps capacity. I operate the plant 2 hour aerobic and 2 hours anoxic to achieve nitrification + denitrification.

NH3 is below 2 mg/lt and Nitrate is vaires 1-4 mg/lt. (The samples taken before entering to the clarifiers and filtered.)


DS,

Thank you for your interest i send you a pm.


Thank you all.



Frenz,

What is the colour of the foam? can it be grease? do you see same foam on the aeration tank during denitrification phase?
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Reply #10 - May 30th, 2012, 5:13pm
 
The foam is light brown color. You can see it in the photo.

http://i47.tinypic.com/105wo75.jpg

No foaming at the aeration tank during denitrification phase.



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Reply #11 - May 31st, 2012, 3:30am
 
Here is the foam at the top of the clarifiers. looks like there is a lot of bubbles.

http://i45.tinypic.com/jk83ue.jpg

Your comments will be appreciated.
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Reply #12 - May 31st, 2012, 9:22am
 
I made a microscobic analyses with gram stain from the top sludge of the clarifiers.

There is a lot of filamentaous bacterias, nocardia. Now though days waiting for me Sad. Thanks a lot.

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Reply #13 - Jun 4th, 2012, 3:37pm
 
frenz wrote on May 31st, 2012, 9:22am:
I made a microscobic analyses with gram stain from the top sludge of the clarifiers.

There is a lot of filamentaous bacterias, nocardia. Now though days waiting for me Sad. Thanks a lot.



what is your F/M ratio? something has changed lately in the effluent?
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Reply #14 - Jun 4th, 2012, 3:41pm
 
Hi Frenz,

Nocardia can be tough to handle, just give ayell if you need help!

a good starting point indeed is to check for FOG (Fats Oils and Grease) entering the plant.

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Reply #15 - Jun 4th, 2012, 3:54pm
 
It's still likely possible that root cause here is denitrification. Both may be a play here. Let DS help you, he knows his stuff Wink
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Reply #16 - Jun 7th, 2012, 4:51am
 
Sludge judge thank you so much for your help. I take down one clarifier and empty it because of a maintenance. When i get the tank in operation, sludge immediately rises like others. The surface foam has a lot bubbles in it.

Can you check the below image please.
http://i45.tinypic.com/jk83ue.jpg

And my nitrate is low than 1 mg/lt before clarifiers. I dont think it is denitrification.

Any other possibility? Air is trapped in the sludge.

THank you in advance
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Reply #17 - Jun 7th, 2012, 11:08am
 
perhaps the mixing is keeping the nocardia from foaming up in the aeration tank, (it's growing dispersed) once it gets a chance to float (as it wants to) it does in the clarifier.

Did you ask DS for any assistance. He'll let you know if the problem is nocardia. This needs to be figured out first.

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