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Problem with nitrification at good pH, DO.
Jun 03rd, 2012, 4:28am
 
Hi experts!

I have a problem with Nitrification in my plant. pH level seems OK( more than 7), water tem (15-20 C), DO is also fine (2 mg/L) BOD/TN=10 and alkalinity is close to 5 meq/L. My SRT is quite long more than 40 days. Is that a problem having long SRT in plant. BOD removal seems fine but not the Ammonium (<5 mg/L).  F/M ratio is quite low for plant and  is close to 0,05 kgBOD/kgMLSS,day.

Is it good idea to have microspic analysis to find out how much nitrifier do i have beofore anticiapting some toxic imputs in plant?
Or is their any smart solution !! Embarrassed

Will be great to have sugestion
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Re: Problem with nitrification at good pH, DO.
Reply #1 - Jun 3rd, 2012, 6:42am
 
A microscopic examination won't help you much with nitrifiers. Nitrosommonas and Nitrobacter are the only ones easily identified and there are other bacteria that are responsible for this. With that said there are other things you can look at that are beneficial. It may help though in the overall performance of the plant (is the long SRT hurting you?) Is there a high amount of septicity/ organic acids (these grow zooglea, tetrads, and certain filaments) which may be inhibiting nitrification.

One easy check to see if the long SRT is causing a spike is to check the orthophoshate throughout the plant. If you see a large increase toward the end of the aeration tank along with an increase in ammonia it's possible the bacteria are starving and cell lysis is responsible (this re-releases the nutrients).

I don't quite understand your analytical data. 10:1 BOD/ Total N in the influent you'll be short on nitrogen. 5 mg/L alkalinity at the end of the process is way too low. You need at least >50. It's possible the alkalinity is the limiting factor here (this is the food source for the nitrifiers). Increase this with chemical addition of alkalinity and it's possible that may do the trick.

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Reply #2 - Jun 3rd, 2012, 11:48am
 
Sludgejudge may have misread the alkalinity (alkalinity is close to 5 meq/L). I think the ratio for BOD/N should be 20:1, but I'm uncertain if this should be a limiting factor. I suspect that the SRT may be a bit long.

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Reply #3 - Jun 3rd, 2012, 11:57am
 
disregard the part about the BOD/N ratio. There's a big surplus of nitrogen. I misread that as well as the as the meq/L. What does that convert to as mg/L alkalinity as CaC3?
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Reply #5 - Jun 3rd, 2012, 2:47pm
 
Thank you all.
More info; my ORP(oxdation reduction pt) sensor shows 250 mV which i asume is good process condition. Further i am also using NaOH (29%) to control the pH level of the MLSS.I am not quite sure if this will inhibit nitrification process by forming some inhibiting compounds. Large SRT is not a problem for me , but if it is distroying my nitrification than i had di reduce it.
@ SludgAge;  my plant doesnot have chemical or any biological phosphorus removal process like EBPR or any (of course only for assimilation of COD removal heterotrops) and inlet-outlet  phosphate is  6 and 2.5 mg/L respectively. And there are no any septic sludge , wastewater is normal municipal wastewater.

Any reason for not having nitrification OR is it just a high sludge age that could be the cause.

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Reply #6 - Jun 3rd, 2012, 4:01pm
 
Hi BHP,

a high sludge age (40 days) should not be a problem for nitrification. At first sight, other aspects are OK as well, so inhibition may be at play. what is your industry? What are the N-species' (Ntot, NH4-N, NO3-N, NO2-N)concentration of the influent and effluent?
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Reply #7 - Jun 3rd, 2012, 4:23pm
 
I agree with DS. I'd test amines especially.
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Reply #8 - Jun 3rd, 2012, 5:24pm
 
I agree Grrun and DS that long sludge age shouldn’t have any negative impact on nitrification. Your pH, SRT, Temp, DO, TP are favorite for nitrification. What is your HRT? Is the high NH4-N only happened in winter? What is your MLSS? What is influent BOD and TKN?  Smiley
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What TKN values do you have for your influent/effluent?
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Reply #10 - Jun 4th, 2012, 3:39am
 
Thank you all for your help

Latest lab analysis: i have  influent Ammonium close to 25-28 mg/L, Nitrate close to 1-2 mg/L and Total N 30-40. Nitrate after aeration tank is close to 17-20 mg/L an ammonium is 6 mg/L. My total COD outflow (effluent) is 40-50 mg/Lit.

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Reply #11 - Jun 4th, 2012, 7:45am
 
Hi BHP,

Liangs' remark on the HRT is quite relevant over here; it could be that the HRT is too short compared to the ammonium oxidation rate, which I expect to be on the low side in this case. another possibility (alone or in combination with the foregoing) is that the affinity for ammonium of the AOB (Ammonia Oxidising Bacteria) is lowered due to some toxicant.
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Reply #12 - Jun 4th, 2012, 8:08am
 
Hi All
HRT for the plant is  7 hour
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Reply #13 - Jun 4th, 2012, 8:49am
 
So we are talking about alkalinity around 155 mg/l?  I think that the use of NaOH may be affecting the nitrification rate.  Or else some type of inhibitor has entered the plant and is suppressing your nitrifiers.  

40 days is rather long for a SRT, your F/M ratio indicates a high MLSS concentration, and combined they suggest too many bugs for the load of food.  I suggest double checking your D.O. levels throughout aeration, checking nitrate conc in plant effluent, and considering why you carry such a high level of solids in your plant's inventory.  Your set up suggests that you treat high/variable BOD loadings, or else there are shock loadings from pH, BOD, toxics, or temperature.  Are any of these factors at your plant?  Did you used to have foam problems and resolved them by changing the process to what it is now?  

The bottom line appears to be poor metabolic reactions by your bugs.  What is the F/M ratio suggested for your plant?  If it is different from what you are operating at today, why is that?  Good luck!

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Reply #14 - Jun 4th, 2012, 10:24am
 
Monitoring the orthophoshate throughout the system and seeing a spike in this as well as the ammonia would indicate the sludge age is too long  and the F/M is too low. You'll see both of these spike if you've gone into endogeny. I'd check this asap.
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Reply #15 - Jun 4th, 2012, 10:25am
 
Also based on the nitrate in your effluent it looks like you're getting some degree of nitrification.
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Reply #16 - Jun 4th, 2012, 6:13pm
 
BHP_EE:

As The Sludge Judge  said, a microscopic examination may or may not reveal nitrifying bacteria (Nitrosomonas and Nitrobacter). It is useful to try. I have dealt with this many times in municipal systems. Often, this is due to some septicity entering the plant for whatever reason. This can be examined for microscopically by an examination for filaments and other organisms caused by organic acids or hydrogen sulfide. Both these materials specifically inhibit nitrifying bacteria.

Also, it is important to measure the nitrite and nitrate in the aeration basin effluent. Some agents inhibit Nitrobacter and not Nitrosomonas, so nitrite builds up in concentration.

Hope that this helps.
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