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Park YaBB Newbies Offline I love Water and Wastewater.com Posts: 3 Korea,, China, Japan. Company or Organization: BiolightKorea	Waste water treatment System Jun 22^nd, 2012, 6:40pm I have heard that some microorganism could be used in treating waste water without producing excess sludge, and actually that kind of system was running somewhere in Japan. Can anyone think that it is possible to make the system and run it without facilities for sludge wasting? Any opinions would be appreciated. Thank,
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NorCal_Wastewater1 God Member Offline "Wastewater rules! Give sludge a chance!!!" Posts: 1780 CA. Gender: Company or Organization: Wastewater	Re: Waste water treatment System Reply #1 - Jun 25^th, 2012, 11:06am This doesn't sound correct, but it may be part of some attempt by someone to come up with a new process. Please provide more details or a link to where this info is available. Dallas
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commissioning guy Senior Member Offline I love Water and Wastewater.com Posts: 292 Company or Organization: SWS	Re: Waste water treatment System Reply #2 - Jun 25^th, 2012, 4:44pm not microorgaisms.......try Eisenia foetida!
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h2obuilding YaBB Newbies Offline I love Water and Wastewater.com Posts: 10 Company or Organization: H2o Building Services	Re: Waste water treatment System Reply #3 - Jun 27^th, 2012, 2:11am It's really a very interesting thing to hear about. Treating waste water with microorganism is absolutely a unique and different approach. You should give a detailed description that how exactly it works.
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Reply #4 - Jun 27^th, 2012, 11:07am

If there's enough endogenous activity (think super long sludge age and very low F/M ratio) you can get a very low sludge yield. I'm not aware of any plants where this is sustainable though.

I once consulted for a plant and we went 3 months without wasting keeping a close eye on the biomass under the microscope. After the three months I had to have them start back up again because their flocs were getting too small and they were getting hindered settling. They began wasting again in enough time that they didn't get into trouble. Others may have more experience with this....

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Reply #5 - Jun 27^th, 2012, 10:04pm

For me it is impossible. No matter what kind of process there must be a mass balance? Via what coming into the system has to go out from the system. The system can’t generate or destroy mass. Bacteria just convert mass from one type to the other, but it can’t destroy any mass unless there is a nuclear reaction to transfer mass to energy? Cry

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Reply #6 - Jun 28^th, 2012, 2:06am

Liang 1957 wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012, 10:04pm:

For me it is impossible. No matter what kind of process there must be a mass balance? Via what coming into the system has to go out from the system. The system can’t generate or destroy mass. Bacteria just convert mass from one type to the other, but it can’t destroy any mass unless there is a nuclear reaction to transfer mass to energy? Cry

Getting back to those worms, then those worms use it as food, and produce energy and use it to crawl around? Then mass is getting converted to energy?

Might not be right on this but this would seem plausible, just look up composting.

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Liang 1957 YaBB Newbies Offline I love Water and Wastewater.com Posts: 11 U12-Ocean St, Penshgurst NSW Gender: Company or Organization: Liang's Engineering	Re: Waste water treatment System Reply #7 - Jun 28^th, 2012, 10:35pm I am sorry, A4YB, worms can’t destroy mass! The part of organic mass converts to CO2 and part of it contributes excess biomass of worm! Biosolids composting will significantly reduce the moisture of biomass by evaporating, so it reduces biomass volume. But biological process can’t destroy mass!
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C. Gillen God Member Offline Applied Environmental Biotechnology Posts: 773 Ireland Gender: Company or Organization: BioFuture Ltd.	Re: Waste water treatment System Reply #8 - Jul 11^th, 2012, 9:39am Hi Park, The Sludgefather has outlined how low sludge production can be achieved. It is not a case of using a microorganism but controlling the conditions in the plant. I think the company you are referring to is Teijin. Best regards, Cgillen
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Reply #9 - Jul 14^th, 2012, 5:04pm

Hi,
Thank you very much for all the valuable responses.
I was certainly telling of microoganism. and it was about non- sludge system, not about reducing sludge.
I am sorry I can't give you good explanation because I have no much knowledge in waste water treating and the mechanism besides my poor english.
To simply say, the principle of the non-sludge system was said that it was from decomposing organic subtances in waste water into water and gases using specific microorganisms unlike traditional methods of changing them all into sludge.
I think I can find some more details before long.

Thank you..

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Supernatant of a microorganism.

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Arcanian YaBB Newbies Offline I love Water and Wastewater.com Posts: 3 Company or Organization: VTSV	Re: Waste water treatment System Reply #10 - Jul 25^th, 2012, 2:55pm it wouldn't be the cannibal system would it?
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watertreatmentBIC YaBB Newbies Offline I love WaterandWastewater.c om Posts: 8 Gender: Company or Organization: Beijing China Institute of Wat	Re: Waste water treatment System Reply #11 - Aug 6^th, 2012, 2:14am how about containerized(integrated) water treatment plant, you can google search it! hope i can help you!
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jackboyz YaBB Newbies Offline I love Water and Wastewater.com Posts: 2 Gender: Company or Organization: waste control	Re: Waste water treatment System Reply #12 - Aug 10^th, 2012, 2:47am Reverse osmosis is the better way for waste water treatment.
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