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Interference mitigation w/Lachat Micro Dist CN (Read 560 times)
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Interference mitigation w/Lachat Micro Dist CN
Jul 31st, 2012, 6:32pm
 
I am a process control tech for a municipal wastewater treatment plant that performs total cyanide testing on both plant samples and industrial samples. We currently use the Lachat Instruments Micro Dist system with the prefilled tubes. My concern is that I have been unable to find any references to interference mitigation using this method. The plant effluent samples are not denitrified so nitrate/nitrite interference is possible,  but I do follow the USEPA method of treating all samples with sulfamic acid before distillation so I do not believe that this is a significant source of error. However, the Micro Dist system lacks the lead acetate "trap" that the macro distillation setup has so I see sulfide as a source of potential error. Additionally, I have noticed that wastewaters high in solids(i.e. meat packing plants, dog food producers, dairies, and others) do not seem to distill as well as "clean" samples and will sometimes have cyanide levels that are higher than expected. I run duplicates of any sample that I have concerns about and will rerun the sample (and a dilution) if I get a reportable value. Yet, I am still concerned that I am reporting results for industrial monitoring that I feel may be the result of interference and not necessarily complexed cyanides. I am wondering if anyone else is familiar with the Lachat system and has some of the same issues or concerns.
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Reply #1 - Aug 1st, 2012, 8:28am
 
We tried using the microdist Lachat system with minimal success at my old lab (it seemed really cumbersome with the plastic tubes being so tough and the sample size so small that losing a drop or two became significant), then went back to using macrodist for cn analysis.  We were told that the micro method was only appropriate for aqueous samples and with the 6ml volume I would see any large particles being almost a semi-solid causing interference.  The sulfamic acid should take care of any N interference.  Have you tried running split samples with macro and micro dist methods? Dilution can be a great way to eliminate interference on the macro dist - were your results comparable and did you get good replicates?  Side issue-- I am curious about the lead acetate trap you mentioned, as sulfide was always a potential interference for us and I was told that if sulfide were present there would be no cn (neg interference).  Sorry I can't shed any light except to say that 4 experienced analysts ended up waving the white flag and hoping Lachat would eventually design something better  Undecided .
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Reply #2 - Aug 1st, 2012, 10:42am
 
Unfortunately, the investment has already been made in the Lachat system and it is not practical to change in the next 3-5 years. As for sulfide, I was referring to the sulfide "scrubber" (based on USEPA method 335.2) set up in the macro distillation. There is nothing in the Lachat system comparable. (And yes, sulfide is a negative bias. I was just including it as an example of interference that the Lachat system seems to neglect.) Two months out of the year I analyze up to 30 samples and using the macro dist method I could only practically analyze 6-9 samples a day. It could certainly be done, but for most samples the Lachat system is far more practical.
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Reply #3 - Aug 6th, 2012, 10:31am
 
I meant to get in on this discussion last week, but better late than never. As you are aware, there are myriad sources of interference for cyanide analysis. The sulfamic acid treatment is the way to mitigate any nitrate/nitrite issues and can be done pre-distillation like you are doing, or can be added to the sample in the distillation tube with the larger systems. The Lachat tubes are a bit small to make that work well. For sulfides, most methods advise to treat prior to distillation. Standard methods says to precipitate with Pb(C2H3O2)2 or PbCO3 while EPA 335.4 says to use CdCO3. You test a drop of the sample on a strip of lead acetate paper that has been moistened with acetic acid buffers. If the drop turns brown/black you have sulfide present and proceed with precipitation. I can send you the full pretreatment procedure if you would like. Most of the other interferences relate to some form of organic species being in the sample with high heat and lowered pH. I suspect that because the Lachat system distillation time is only 30 minutes as opposed to 90-120 minutes the opportunity for these interferences is lessened. I know that if anyone is using ascorbic acid as a dechlorinating agent you will tend to see false positive cyanide hits, although these are reduced when using the MicroDist method, again most likely due  to the shortened reaction time. There is no good way to avoid the particulates issue with the Lachat tubes. My best suggestion is to homogenize the chunks as best as you can so that they aren't quite as large. Otherwise with such a tight diameter they can form a barrier at the surface that will prevent proper distillation from happening.
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Reply #4 - Aug 6th, 2012, 11:51am
 
Thanks David,

I can't believe I forgot how I dealt with the sulfide interference - the idea of a lead-acetate trap being so interesting - I completely forgot about cadmium carbonate.   Undecided
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Reply #5 - Aug 6th, 2012, 5:47pm
 
Thanks David and BWater,
I appreciate your discussion on this topic. I did not realize that there was such a difference between 335.2 and 335.4. I am in a lab that has been doing the cyanide test for several years (myself only for a year)and I assumed the method I was using was the proper one. Obviously, I still have quite a bit to learn. Based on my research so far, I can definitely see that cyanide is at best a tricky analyte to quantify in the "real world". Maybe the push for ever lower quantifiable limits will lead to the development of a more precise method.
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